Do all believers meet God before they die?

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Do all believers meet God before they die?

Postby Issac » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:26 pm

Hi there, my name is Issac. I'm using my mother's email address.
I have a question. In the bible, it has asked us to seek the face of God. It says without holiness no one shall see him. The the pure in heart shall see God. Also John 6:40 speaks about seeing him in some translations and since Jesus is the image of God, the Word, I expect that we shall see him.

Both the old and new testaments speak as if all true believers have met God, whether in dream, vision, or real life. What does it mean to know God and have fellowship with him if not this? I remember that the people asked Moses not to see God lest they die thus cast from his presence, his glory, and a prophet is used.

Ever since God has shunned the world. In John 14 it says I will not leave you as orphans, I will come to you. So the born again may be adopted and given a new name? So I was wondering if you could add this into your teaching section. So do all believers meet God before they die? I would love to see what you have to say about it. May God's grace be with you.

Re: Do all believers meet God before they die?

Postby Issac » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:05 pm

I would like to confess my sins to one who claims to be a child of God. I am a virgin but I have committed adultery with my eyes. Since a young age I would watch porn and masturbate. As of now, I have quit both. Lust of the eyes and lust of the flesh is my sin. I have also committed idolatry. I served the graven image of the cross. Others are hatred, wrath, heresies, envy, drunkenness, covetousness, maliciousness, deceit, pride, disobedient to parents, lying, cowardice, theft, blasphemy, evil eye(greed), strife, backbiting, and much much more.

Galatians 5:19-21. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; 1 Adultery, 2 fornication, 3 uncleanness, 4 lasciviousness,
5 Idolatry, 6 witchcraft, 7 hatred, 8 variance, 9 emulations, 10 wrath, 11 strife, 12 seditions, 13 heresies,
14 Envyings, 15 murders, 16 drunkenness, 17 revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all 19 unrighteousness, fornication, 20 wickedness, 21 covetousness, 22 maliciousness; full of envy, murder, 23 debate, 24 deceit, 25 malignity; 26 whisperers, 27 Backbiters, 28 haters of God, 29 despiteful, 30 proud, 31 boasters, 32 inventors of evil things, 33 disobedient to parents, 34 Without understanding, 35 covenantbreakers, 36 without natural affection, 37 implacable, 38 unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1 Timothy 1:9-10
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the 39 lawless and disobedient, 40 for the ungodly and 41 for sinners, 42 for unholy and profane, 43 for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For 44 whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, 45for menstealers, 46 for liars, 47 for perjured persons, 48 and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.
Revelation 21:8 But the 49 fearful, and 50 unbelieving, and 51 the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and 52 sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Matthew 19:18-19
[..]If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, 56 Thou shalt not steal, 57 Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, 58 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself
Ephesians 5:3-7, 18 Neither 59 filthiness, 60 nor foolish talking, 61 nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
And 62 do not be drunk with wine, which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit
Mark 7:21-22 For from within, out of the heart of men, 63 proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, 64 an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, 65 foolishness
2 Corinthians 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, 66 swellings, 67 tumults:

Re: Do all believers meet God before they die?

Postby Issac » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:18 pm

List of my sins

2. Adultery
3. Anger
4. Backbiters: Those whospeak evil of those who are absent
5. Banqueting: A drinking party
6. Becoming a Stumbling Block to a Weak Brother Through Our Liberty: Taking liberty to do things without thinking of the effect on a weaker brother's conscience.
7. Being Angry With One's Brother: Expressing unkind thought or action toward others
8. Bitterness
9. Blasphemy
10. Boasting
11. Brawling
16. Clamor: Loud, continued noises
17. Complaining
18. Contentious:Quarrelsome
19. Corrupt Communications:Unprofitable or impure language
20. Covenant Breakers: Lightly breaking a solemn or legal pact.
21. Covetousness
22. Craftiness: Cunningness
23. Debate
24. Deceit
25. Defiling the Body
26. Defraud
27. Denying Christ
28. Desiring the Praise of Men: Doing things to gain praise.
29. Despiteful
30. Dishonesty
31. Disobedience to Parents
34. Double Tongued: Making insincere statements
35. Drunkenness
36. Eating the Bread, or Drinking The Lord's Cup Unworthily: Taking communion while living in sin
38. Emulations: Ambition to excel
39. Envy
40. Evil Concupiscence: Longing or desire for forbidden things.
41. Evil Eye: Having selfish motives
42. Evil Thoughts: Worthless, injurious, or depraved thoughts
45. Fearful: Discouraged, anxious, faithless
46. Filthiness
47. Filthy Lucre: Recieving personal gain through unrighteousness.
48. Finding Faults With Others While Having a Greater Fault Ourself
49. Foolishness
50. Foolish talking : Silliness.
51. Giving False Witness
54. Greediness
55. Guile: Deceit
56. Haters of God
57. Hatred
58. Having Evil Treasures in the Heart
59. Having Pleasure in Them That Do Things Worthy of Death: Enjoying the company of sinners.
60. Hearing the Sayings of Christ, but Not Following Them
61. Heresies: Religious opinion different from established Scripture.
62. Highmindedness: Arrogant
63. Hypocrisy
64. Idle Words: Words of no value.
65. Idolatry: Loving someone or something more than God.
66. Implacable: Refusing to be appeased
67. Inordinate Affection: Passion, lust.
68. Inventors of Evil Things: Those who contrive evil ways to satisfy their carnal lusts.
69. Jesting: Talking to make others laugh.
70. Judging
71. Knowing to Do Good, but Doing it Not
72. Lasciviousness: Lustful, wanton, exciting lust.
73. Laying Up Treasures on Earth: Pursuing material success at the expense of spiritual things.
74. Living in Pleasure: Fond of luxury and sensual pleasure/gratification.
75. Lovers of Self
76. Loving Another Person More Than Jesus
77. Lusting After a Woman
78. Lying
79. Maliciousness
80. Malignity: Being harmful or dangerous, bad character.
81. A Man Prophesying or Praying With His Head Covered.
82. Mockery
84. Murmering: Grumbling, secretly complaining
85. Presumptious
86. Pride: Self esteem.
87. Puffed Up: Overestimating of one's ability or knowledge.
89. Railing: Slander
90. Revellings: Overindulgence at feasts, merrymaking.
91. Rioting
92. Seditions: Stirring up opposition against authority.
93. Self Will: Arrogant
95. Sorcery
96. Speaking Evil of Dignities: Speaking ill of those to be honored.
97. Stealing
98. Stiff-Necked and Uncircumcised in Hearts and Ears: Obstinate
99. Strife: Quarreling, seeking superiority
100. Striker: Ready to Fight
101. Swearing: To take oath (as in court).
102. Teaching for Doctrine the Commandments of Men: Neglecting God's commandments by manmade interpretation or commandments.
103. Traitors
104. Trusting in Riches
105. Not Entering by the Door Into the Sheepfold: Seeking salvation through means other than the blood of Christ.
106. Unbelief: Lack of faith.
107. Uncleanness
108. Unforgiving Heart
109. Unmerciful
110. Unrighteousness: Moral wrongfulness.
111. Unthankfulness
112. Vain Jangling: Babbling.
113. Variance: Strife
114. Voluntary Humility: False humilty.
115. Wantonness: Lustful, morally unrestrained.
116. Whisperers: Secretly spreading false or slanderous information.
118. Witchcraft
119. Wickedness: Evil practices, crime.
120. Without Normal Affection: Hardhearted.
121. Without Understanding: Unwise
122. Wrath

Re: Do all believers meet God before they die?

Postby Paul Cohen » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:31 pm

“For God, Who said, 'Let light shine out of darkness,' has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ” (2 Corinthians 4:6 ESV).

Hi Issac,

We actually already have teachings that address your questions. See the following:

Seeing God and Living
Diabolical Doctrine: One Cannot See Gods Face and Live (Physically Survive)
What It Means to Be Born Again
Godhood The Destiny of Those Born of God

Read these carefully and don't stop there. You will find much more on our site, but know that your realization of these things will come by faith and obedience, so pray for these and believe it's God's will that you have them. He will have all men come to repentance, believing on Him, the Lord Jesus Christ, and walking in His ways.

Let us know how you do, Issac.

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Re: Do all believers meet God before they die?

Postby Issac » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:36 pm

Thank you for allowing me to chat but I've been banned. Sorry for what happened. I just don't want to condemn anyone. I wanted to learn about justice. Not the justice of this world but the justice of God. The world uses the death penalty, something I don't want to be a part of. Scripture says "Condemn not lest ye be condemned." It also says "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him." " John 8:11 ESV She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”

Sorry but I agree with Jesus. He wouldn't condemn Judas either. Grace be with you.

Re: Do all believers meet God before they die?

Postby Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:22 am

You say, “Thank you for allowing me to chat but I've been banned. Sorry for what happened. I just don't want to condemn anyone.

It wasn't our pleasure, you're not sorry, you DO want to condemn us, and you did. You, Issac, are a liar and of your father, the Devil.

Last night the substance of the main issue of our conflict came clearly to me. You spoke of justice WITH mercy. The issue was not whether or not men were to render justice with mercy, which they certainly are, depending on the circumstances, but whether God Himself dispensed justice with mercy without exception, as you seemed to insist. We gave you testimonies from Scripture where God dispensed justice without mercy.

First, we gave you the instance of Samuel and Agag, where Saul was merciful and for that cause, he lost his Kingdom. God wasn't pleased with Saul's mercy, your brand of mercy. There are many other examples in the Old Testament, as with Moses and the 3000 brethren slain at Mt. Sinai by the Levites; the Israelite man and the Moabitish woman by Phinehas, who was therefore highly honored by the Lord, and the 450 prophets of Baal slain by Eliyahu.

Now though it was God's justice because dispensed by His chosen and faithful prophets, and not man's initiative, those examples still aren't good enough for you because they were “Old Testament,” not New. So we went to the New and gave Ananias and Sapphira as an example of justice and we asked you, “Where was the mercy?” God didn't even give them opportunity to confess and repent. Who can argue it was justice, and who would be so foolish as to argue the justice was with mercy?

Your reply was that the incident was not an act of man but of God. Surely. Exactly the point. The debate didn't start with discussing man's dispensation of justice with mercy, but of God's administering justice without mercy. But you chose to switch tracks and deny the truth any which way you could.

As we have surely declared, Issac, you are a slippery fish, a snake, a liar, of the serpentine generation, pretending to worship God while your heart is void of Him altogether.

And you say you agree with Jesus? Really? How about the parable He told of the murderous keepers of their master's vineyard in Matthew 21? He asked His religious hearers and they answered:

“Therefore when the lord of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers? They said to Him, Bad men! He will miserably destroy them and will rent out his vineyard to other vinedressers who will give him the fruits in their seasons” (Matthew 21:40-41 MKJV).

And when they answered, He didn't rebuke them but agreed and elaborated. Was there mercy there, Issac? And why would Jesus Christ present such a parable if He wasn't willing to dispense justice without mercy when called for, else there would be no such thing as true justice, the scales being uneven:

“Different kinds of weights are hateful to the LORD, and a false balance is not good” (Proverbs 20:23 MKJV).

And who is it that sent Rome in to destroy Israel and Jerusalem, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Jews and taking thousands into slavery, if not God?

Of course, being the snake you are, you'll have your arguments for anything, because you aren't the least interested in justice, Jesus Christ or the Truth in any form.

So we discussed the justice of God and you refuted it. You say you wanted to learn? You lie. You want nothing to do with true learning, or true justice.


Issac, Paul here - as Victor said, you're a liar. And because you're an unrepentant liar, you're a murderer, too. Murderers show no mercy, and you have shown no mercy to God or man.

“For judgment is without mercy to the one who does not show mercy” (James 2:13 EMTV).

That's why you're out on the street with your mother and aren't welcome in heavenly Jerusalem. We would be cursed with you had we not rebuked your stubbornness and expelled you.

“Cursed is he who does the work of the LORD with slackness, and cursed is he who keeps back his sword from bloodshed” (Jeremiah 48:10 ESV).
Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk

Re: Do all believers meet God before they die?

Postby Issac » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:56 pm

I am sorry, why do you say that I am not? and thank you for verse James 2:13. I also confessed to be blind. I need help. Isn't it hard for sinners to know the truth of God for they are spiritually discern. So I ask that you have mercy on me, a sinner. As for mercy, I was talking about mankind, not "God Himself." That is why I said it was an act of God, not man. As for saying justice must have mercy, I apologise. I spoke in haste. I was wrong. "Must" shouldn't be there, for there are times God has not shown mercy, through man. Thank you for showing me that. I thought man must always show mercy. As for condemnation, I am referring to killing others, I haven't killed you, nor do I want to kill anyone, outside the will of God. I am a liar and of my father, the devil. I told you this already. As for pretending to worship God, how can I worship God without his spirit or truth? I wasn't pretending. I know that I am a son of disobedience. An enemy if God. Why do you come at me so harshly? Why do you accuse me as if you know me so well? I'm not the least interested in justice, Jesus Christ or the Truth in any form? I just started around three years ago. I'm new to this and still quite ignorant. While you are quite experienced. I want nothing to do with true learning? Then why have I visited your site knowing most to be truth? I know the sabbath is Saturday. I know most denominations to be false today. I know most who confess to believe are liars. I have come a long way to get here for you to say I don't want to learn. I'm only 28 years old. Thanks by the way, you have confirmed a lot of the things I have been learning about on your website. It's hard to find anyone today who does. As for mockery, please don't revile me. It's a stumbling block for me. It actually vexes me. You claim to be sent by God, so teach me. How can I learn if you are not patient with me? After two days and this is how I am treated. I said I am sorry and I have heeded your rebuke. Can I have another chance? Yes, I am a devil, a snake as you say, but I was born this way. Even Peter was called Satan but he also repented and was given the holy spirit. Please, have mercy on me, a sinner..

Re: Do all believers meet God before they die?

Postby Victor Hafichuk » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:06 am

Luke 3:7-9 MKJV
(7) Then he said to the crowd that came forth to be baptized by him, O generation of vipers! Who has warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
(8) Therefore bring forth fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father. For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.
(9) And now also the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bring forth good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire.

You say, “I am a liar and of my father, the devil. I told you this already. As for pretending to worship God, how can I worship God without his spirit or truth? I wasn't pretending. I know that I am a son of disobedience. An enemy if God.

If so, and we most certainly believe it, then why should we listen to anything you have to say? We shouldn't. When we see fruits of repentance, we'll know something good is happening. Till then, we know there's nothing good or promising.

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Re: Do all believers meet God before they die?

Postby Issac » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:29 pm

This is the internet. How do you know if I am bearing fruits toward repentance or not? It's your choice. I will go my own way then. Thank you for your time.

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