A Man and His Doctrine Are Judged
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:17 am
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Subject: Christian Universalism
From: Glen
To: Ask
Date: 5/1/2012 8:22 PM
I had noticed your website commenting on the teachings of Stephen Jones. While your views differ on the subject of Israel, I find the subject of Christian Universalism, or what some call "Restorationism", very difficult to argue against. On what grounds scripturally can you argue against it?
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Subject: Your take on False Teachers
From: Glen
To: Ask
Date: 5/1/2012 8:52 PM
While I respect greatly the fact that we hold to the same view of God's grace, I have a difficult time taking serious how you point out others as "false teachers" but sell yourselves as "true teachers." It always concerns me when men do that, as if they hold all the answers. Try to avoid doing that and be more humble in your approach. Avoid considering yourselves as teachers, there is truly only one teacher.
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From: Paul Cohen
To: Glen
Cc: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Christian Universalism/Your take on False Teachers
Hi Glen,
We received two emails from you, which we’re answering here. In the first one you ask: On what grounds scripturally can you argue against it [“Restorationism”]?
The fact is we don’t argue against it; we support it. Read the writings in The Restitution of All Things.
We do, however, refute those who use this doctrine as a license for lawlessness, presuming to have entered into the Holy City while yet in their sins. You can also read several writings and letters about that here: Universalism – The False Kind.
In your second email you reject teachers from God. Now the shoe’s on the other foot and we must ask you on what grounds you Scripturally argue against God’s ordained order and ministries.
“And God placed some in the assembly: firstly, apostles; secondly, prophets; thirdly, teachers; then works of power; then gifts of healing, helps, governings, kinds of languages” (1 Corinthians 12:28 LITV).
There is indeed great responsibility with the calling of a teacher, which is why James writes:
“My brothers, do not be many teachers, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. For in many things we all offend. If anyone does not offend in word, the same is a full-grown man, able also to bridle the whole body” (James 3:1-2 MKJV).
Yes, the Holy Spirit is every man’s teacher, but that by no means eliminates the ministries He raises up to teach believers His ways.
“Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you” (Hebrews 13:17 KJV).
How else can men submit, except by the Spirit of God Who is leading them?
If you’ve never had any to lead you, Glen, if you’ve never submitted to a man of God, it’s likely because you’re not one of His sheep. You certainly approach us as a Pharisee who is full, and not as a humble one who hungers after the truth. If you were one of His lost sheep, you’d receive spiritual food from the hand of His shepherds, as well as His rod and staff.
On his Path of Truth website, Elijah listed at least 450 prophets of Baal and numerous priests and priestesses of Ashtoreth as false teachers. He didn’t mince words with them, did he? He publicly made it known to all Israel that false teachers ought not to be tolerated.
Today, not knowing the difference between false and true, men not only allow false teachers to remain, they blindly and enthusiastically follow, entertain, fellowship with, praise, and finance them. The same mixture existing in Noah’s day, for which cause God destroyed the earth, exists today. Only the Fire and Light of His Word will counter the established rampant iniquity prevailing in the Name of Jesus Christ.
As born again believers and true ministers of the Lord Jesus Christ, it isn’t for us to bring physical or temporal legal retribution, but it is for us to not only refrain from having fellowship with, but also to speak out against, those who preach falsehood and snare many souls:
Ephesians 5:11-14 MKJV
(11) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
(12) For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.
(13) But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light.
(14) Therefore he says, ‘Awake, sleeping ones! And arise from the dead, and Christ shall give you light.’
You say you have a difficult time taking our false teachers list seriously, but what proof do you have that we err about any of those we list? Please do bring forth substance; we welcome it. If you can’t show that we do, why should we take you seriously?
Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk
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----- Original Message -----
From: Glen
To: Paul Cohen
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: Christian Universalism/Your take on False Teachers
Hi,Paul,
Wow! That's a lot to take in. Seems as if, though we agree on all the major points, I seem to have touched a nerve. My point was that there is nothing worse than pious arrogance. While most of the people on your list might be qualify as false teachers, or teaching something false, you seem to set yourselves up to be the absolute authority. You've got the most important things down and understand the most profound mystery of God's grace. But you lack humility in the face of that knowledge. Always understand that what knowledge we have is limited at best. If the scriptures were absolutely clear on every issue to every person, we would all see God in the same light.Continue to grow in love, God's love. Besides, the One you and I submit to, was willing to lay down his life for us. Would we do the same for each other? If not, you haven't arrived yet, but neither have I.
Now as far as your tirade against me, I guess there are some things that I deserve. Something's I didn't deserve, and were just plain ridiculous! Maybe I came on a little strong. By no means do I feel that what you're teaching is wrong. But it is limited. There is always more to learn. I also respect the fact that you used scripture to argue your point. I didn't reject you, but rather the arrogance you showed in arguing your point. But again there is still a lot you need to learn, as do I. God has a way of humbling us when we get that way.I pray to grow in Gpd's love and wisdom, I pray you do the same.
& nbsp; Glen
----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Hafichuk
To: Glen
Cc: Paul Cohen
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:39 PM
Subject: A Look in The Mirror
Glen, Victor here from The Path of Truth, co-worker with Paul Cohen,
You’ve touched no nerve here at all. We fail to see any reaction in Paul or his letter you perceive there to be. His letter was matter-of-fact, to the point, well-intentioned, and with much good counsel. He gave you exactly what the Lord gave him to give you, without a trace of enmity or rancor.
Nor did either of us find as you surmise, “Maybe I came on a little strong.” In our judgment, you simply stated your understanding in plainness of speech – nothing wrong with that.
The question is: Why do you perceive his reply the way you do? It’s because you are defensive, that is, fearful. Maybe not fearful in the sense of trembling fearful, but insecure, not sure to the heart of what you believe. You’ve been indoctrinated. What you have isn’t your own and so you fidget on ground that is sand and not rock.
You’re insecure because you aren’t worshipping the Lord. You don’t have His Spirit. There are several indicators of that in all your letters, perhaps particularly in your last letter. I’ll cover some of those with you.
The Kingdom of God and fellowship with and in Him aren’t about agreement in doctrine, which seems to be your notion and emphasis.
Idolatry makes anyone insecure. Instinctively, all idolaters know they fall short and something isn’t right. That’s why idolaters often go to such extremes, even sacrificing their own children. They aren’t assured because they can’t be, not down to the heart of hearts. They know better even when they fervently defend themselves insisting they’re right.
You’re a Bibliolater, Glen. You say, for example, “Always understand that what knowledge we have is limited at best. If the scriptures were absolutely clear on every issue to every person, we would all see God in the same light.”
You’re insecure because your gods are limited, those being your understanding and the Bible as you perceive and revere it. Your spiritual knowledge is certainly limited, not having received the Spirit of the Lord and therefore not having His Mind. Thus you rely on the Scriptures and your ability to decipher them. You fail in your righteousness, “not trusting in the Lord with all your heart, but leaning on your own understanding.”
Our understanding isn’t limited because we have received His Spirit. Knowing the Author, we know the Scriptures. And here’s the Scriptural proof of our confident declaration of faith you call “arrogance”:
“However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth. For He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever He hears, He shall speak. And He will announce to you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will receive of Mine and will announce it to you” (John 16:13-14 MKJV).
It’s obvious you’ve never experienced the reality of the promise of the One you profess to worship. You say, “there is still a lot you need to learn, as do I” and “By no means do I feel that what you're teaching is wrong. But it is limited. There is always more to learn.”
What is it you have to learn, Glen? Could it be that we can have His Spirit and Mind and therefore not be limited? What do the Scriptures you worship have to say in support of our declarations?
“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things” (1 John 2:20 MKJV).
“But the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true and no lie, and as He has taught you, abide in Him” (1 John 2:27 MKJV).
The peculiar thing about Bibliolaters is that while they worship the Bible, they are blind to its substance; they don’t believe what it plainly says. Isn’t that ironic? Yet, that truth is in keeping with God’s spiritual Law and principles.
You may argue with us in terms of carnal knowledge, but we aren’t speaking of knowing all things in those terms. Not having His Spirit, you won’t understand. Indeed, the things we say here you’ll hold in contempt, but by the grace of God.
You write, “you seem to set yourselves up to be the absolute authority.”
You mean like the prophets and apostles of the Scriptures, like Moses and Elijah for examples, who came speaking by the authority of God as He sent them? Yes, we speak as by His absolute authority, but no, we haven’t set ourselves up to do so. That’s His initiative and work, not ours, possible only for Him, but impossible for us.
But again you give yourself away in that statement, not realizing that Paul and I are greater than Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, or John the Baptist. You don’t know this because you’ve never been born again. If you’ve had a conversion, it’s a spurious one, or at best, much limited to repentance before receiving the Spirit.
You write, “Besides, the One you and I submit to, was willing to lay down his life for us. Would we do the same for each other?”
We’ve done it for you. Have you done it for us? He Who lives in us and with Whom we are crucified has taken our lives and we have willingly laid them down for all. How would you know we haven’t, you who lack knowledge of Him and His ways, not having His Spirit?
You say, “But you lack humility in the face of that knowledge.” Really? Glen, how do you make that judgment? You make it after the appearance, according to your limited understanding. You’re blind to Him and to us who are in His stead.
You say, “You've got the most important things down and understand the most profound mystery of God's grace.” Do we? Are you being sarcastic or sincere? We’ll take your words at face value, because I think you’re sincere, though misinformed. But how would you know? We happen to know that fact is true, but we also know that what you’re talking about is something other than what we know, and you’re wrong.
You sign off with, “I pray to grow in Gpd's love and wisdom, I pray you do the same.”
Consider that our letters to you are His answer to your prayers. By us, He has certainly informed you of your spiritual need, with no condescension.
It’s amazing how people are guilty of the very things they accuse us. We hold up a mirror to them, they see the image and say it’s us.
Glen, why are we writing you and speaking the way we do to you? It wouldn’t be such a problem with you if you were humble and had some comprehension of how little you know and of how much in the dark you are concerning the matters of the Kingdom of God. But your stance is one of cocksureness, disguised with false humility, trying to soften your judgments of us by including yourself with self-depreciation - “as do I,” and “I pray to grow in Gpd's love and wisdom,” and “but neither have I.”
So we write, not to condemn, but to expose you to yourself, if perhaps God will grant you repentance from your arrogance and pride. You might want to read The Baptism in the Holy Spirit, The Three Degrees, and Victor Hafichuk’s Testimony. Goodness, it wouldn’t hurt you to read the entire site! It’s God’s Word to the world.
By His grace and absolute authority, and none of our own,
Victor
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-----Original Message-----
From: Glen
Sent: May 9, 2012 8:17 PM
To: victor@thepathoftruth.com
Subject: Re: A Look in The Mirror
Have a good night,Victor.I feel no need to argue.looking forward to a peaceful night sleep.
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From: "Glen"
To: <victor@thepathoftruth.com>
Cc: "Paul Cohen"
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: A Look in The Mirror
God is my judge. Not you. Prepare yourself to be humbled. And just remember, God`s judgments are for the purpose of correction, however painful they may seem. God bless you and Paul. May he give you strength to endure what's coming. May he give you wisdom to discern God's purpose in it.
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From: Victor Hafichuk
To: Glen
Cc: Paul Cohen
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:03 AM
Subject: Re[3]: A Look in The Mirror
Glen, it is certainly true that God is your judge, and we have been sent by Jesus Christ even as he was sent by the Father. He is God, and we are His emissaries.
If He is your judge, and He sends us, then we are judging righteous judgment by and in Him. You’ve been judged here and now. You’ve been weighed and found wanting on the Scales of Divine Judgment.
But you are not of The Sons of Correction, and therefore you despise God’s judgment, calling it of man and unjust. You recoil at due rebuke.
You predict or prophesy of our being humbled. We know our Father by His Son, His business and ways, and what He has done with us for His work today, and we know it’s your time and not ours for humbling.
You mistake our knowledge and conviction by the Spirit of God for arrogance, and your false humility for godliness. It won’t take long for your correction to come; indeed, it’s here, and you’ll not be prepared for it, neither will you be able to prepare yourself. It’s beyond you.
You didn’t have a peaceful sleep the other night as planned. There’ll be more of those.
Proverbs 1:24-33 ESV
(24) Because I have called and you refused to listen, have stretched out My hand and no one has heeded,
(25) because you have ignored all My counsel and would have none of My reproof,
(26) I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when terror strikes you,
(27) when terror strikes you like a storm and your calamity comes like a whirlwind, when distress and anguish come upon you.
(28) Then they will call upon Me, but I will not answer; they will seek Me diligently but will not find Me.
(29) Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the LORD,
(30) would have none of My counsel and despised all My reproof,
(31) therefore they shall eat the fruit of their way, and have their fill of their own devices.
(32) For the simple are killed by their turning away, and the complacency of fools destroys them;
(33) but whoever listens to Me will dwell secure and will be at ease, without dread of disaster.
Victor and Paul
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From: Glen
Sent: May 14, 2012 10:29 PM
To: Victor Hafichuk
Subject: Re: Re[3]: A Look in The Mirror
Victor,
You take the low road, and I'll take the high road. You say I'm being judged, I accept that. Judgment brings correction. There are things I still need to be corrected on.It's a daily thing we go through as Sons (Though you may disagree with whether I qualify as a Son). But the same things I accused you of in the beginning are being made more and more apparent with every corresponding e-mail. Pride kills your witness. You have such a beautiful message to share, but when you respond the way you do,your not helping your cause. I've also noticed that others have commented that they didn't even know that you were Restorationists until they read your website further. Point being this: you"ve become very legalistic. How has this happened? Why would you,having received and being annointed to preach such a beautiful truth, have lost sight of that fact? What killed your witness?
I think it might be this: As anyone who has received this truth, you've been met with a great deal of resistance. When I came to this knowledge, I thought I was the only one seeing this in the scripture. When I came to find out that more people were out there that believed in this message. So I thought that naturally that my Pastor and others would be excited to hear about such a beautiful message of God's love and grace. Wrong! So I took all the slings and arrows that they could dish out. They hurt and made me mad and bitter at times. But one of the things about being a Son of Correction, as you say, is that every once in a while you have to go through times when you have to take on punishments that you might not deserve. Should we do any less in light of the cross? But what I've noticed happens over time is we can grow impatient awaiting the time when this message will be revealed to the world. A time when God will use us and move us to the places he intends us to be. But when we get there, we'll be able to stand up to anything the world might dish out and respomd with the love that fills us. But yet I've seen some grow so impatient that they actually deconverted from there Christian faith. How sad!
So let me encourage you, rather than continue this futile debate, to persevere through whatever corrections you may go through. When it's all said and done, you'll shine like the Son! I'm done with back and forth banter about judgment and who's of God and who's not (I never denied that about you).We are both on the same team! (Whether you think so or not!) It's sad that most of the wounds to the body of Christ are self-inflicted! I refuse to participate in crucifying him all over again. When we've reached full maturity is when we realize that pain of being crucified is much better than the pain of offending the Lord. So the ball is in your court. What do you say?
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Cohen
To: Glen
Cc: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:42 PM
Subject: Worship of a Doctrine
“Cry aloud, spare not, lift up your voice like a trumpet, and show My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins” (Isaiah 58:1 KJV).
Glen, you write, “I've also noticed that others have commented that they didn't even know that you were Restorationists until they read your website further. Point being this: you"ve become very legalistic.”
We aren’t “Restorationists,” because, by His grace, neither this doctrine nor any other is our god. As for those who don’t know we believe God will restore all things, that’s their problem, not ours. And that problem often happens because they’re in idolatry of the doctrine of the restoration of all things, as are you.
So you found our section, Universalism – The False Kind, to be a “beautiful message”? You’re a dupe of this false Universalist gospel, but the fault lies with you, and not with the liars or lies you believe. You follow them because you don’t love the truth:
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 MKJV
(8) And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming,
(9) whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
(10) and with all deceit of unrighteousness in those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, so that they might be saved.
(11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie,
(12) so that all those who do not believe the truth, but delight in unrighteousness, might be condemned.
So of course you call us “legalistic,” because you’re the lawless one, the man of sin who speaks from the illegitimate throne of his father, Satan, according to the Word just quoted from 2 Thessalonians. And you’re right - we know you’re not our brother or brother of the Lord:
“He who is of God hears God's Words. Therefore you do not hear them because you are not of God” (John 8:47 MKJV).
“We are of God. He who knows God hears us. The one who is not of God does not hear us. From this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error” (1 John 4:6 MKJV).
Your desperate attempt to rationalize away what we say is so very wrong and foolish. We aren’t mad or bitter. But the reason you’ve been that way is because you worship a doctrine. Worshipping anything other than the Lord is idolatry, and idolaters walk in their own righteousness. That’s why you’re offended, and because we serve the Lord Jesus Christ, we experience the truth of His words:
“Blessed are you when men shall hate you, and when they shall cut you off, and when they shall reproach you and shall cast out your name as evil, for the sake of the Son of Man [and not for the sake of a doctrine]. Rejoice in that day and leap for joy. For behold, your reward is great in Heaven. For so their fathers did according to these things to the prophets” (Luke 6:22-23 MKJV).
You write, confirming that you worship a doctrine: “But what I've noticed happens over time is we can grow impatient awaiting the time when this message will be revealed to the world.” The doctrine of the reconciliation of all things doesn’t bring sinners to repentance and reconciliation with God. Only Jesus Christ, the Word of God made flesh, can do that, and you don’t know or preach Him. You haven’t been reconciled to God, Glen.
We’re thankful for what God has done for us, and no, we haven’t been defeated in spirit by opposition; far from it. But you’re still at enmity with God as witnessed by the way you initially approached us and now continue to respond in these letters, in all darkness and defensiveness, trying to bluff and cajole your way out of your judgment. It isn’t working. Your efforts are futile, while ours are anything but.
The Lord is here consuming you with the breath of His mouth, and you can’t do anything except be judged, not according to your definition, but in reality, according to the Truth Incarnate, the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be His Name!
Paul and Victor
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen
To: Paul Cohen
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Worship of a Doctrine
Victor,
In your last letter, you make some valid points about doctrinal worship. I used the term Restorationist because that seems to be the only word that there is to describe what we believe. If you have a better word or phrase, I'd be interested to know. Again,the point is not to put God in a box. We have the word of God, but even there we bicker and argue about whose view is right. You assume a lot of things in your letters. Most of which are not true. I love how you quote 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 and claim that I am a "lawless one" because I call you legalistic. Sadly, you have been legalistic. But at times, so have I. God's still working on me, as he is working on you But in no way would I ever refer to you as lawless. Misguided or a little off the mark at times maybe. But not lawless. I'm sure that by the time he finishes working in you'll see things differently.
As far as your claim that I worship a doctrine, I HAVE NEVER LAUGHED SO HARD IN MY LIFE! YOU REALLY, REALLY DON'T ME! People who know me would laugh at that statement. It's sad you feel that way, but all my life I've dealt with attitudes like yours. Be very careful how you use scripture in your judgments of others. Sadly, God will hold you more accountable. I am confident that in the end God will show you the error of your ways. However painful it will be, when that time comes, remember you are forgiven.
In closing, I like the way you closed out. I am glad he is consuming me, for he is an all-consuming fire. I welcome his judgments, just like David did. Through his judgments I am purified and corrected, as will you and Paul be. And he certainly was the Truth Incarnate. He is my Lord and yours. I'm thankful everyday for the sacrifice he made for all mankind. I'm humbled by what he teaches me everyday, even through the sad attempts by men like yourself to falsely accuse me. So keep it coming, if you choose! It's of no effect. GOD IS MY JUDGE.I'VE YET TO SEE WHERE YOU HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER ME TO JUDGE.ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU DO NOT KNOW ME.YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW YOURSELVES.
&nb sp; Glen
----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Hafichuk
To: Glen
Cc: Paul Cohen
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:33 PM
Subject: The Word of God
Hi Glen,
The Word of God isn’t the letter of the Scriptures but the Living Substance. That is what we refer to as the Word of God. With Him, there is no bickering, nothing anyone can gainsay or resist.
You say I assume many things in my letters not true. I’d like to hear them because I know of none, though you may be right.
I didn’t call you a “lawless one” because you called me legalistic. You called me legalistic because you’re lawless. There are levels and degrees of lawlessness, but essentially, lawlessness is one.
Many have gods they would sincerely deny worshipping, not realizing the depth of their infatuation with them.
I believe you don’t hold anything against me personally and have never believed otherwise. So I’m not speaking on my behalf.
You welcome judgment? I don’t, though if I need it, I know the best thing to do is yield to it. Here’s what Jesus said about judgment, which you say you welcome. He didn’t think it was a welcome thing at all:
Luke 11:43-52 ISV
(43) How terrible it will be for you Pharisees! For you love to have the places of honor in the synagogues and to be greeted in the marketplaces.
(44) How terrible it will be for you! For you are like unmarked graves, and people walk on them without realizing it.
(45) Then one of the experts in the Law said to Him, Teacher, when You say these things, You insult us, too.
(46) Jesus said, How terrible it will be for you experts in the Law, too! For you load people with burdens that are hard to carry, yet you yourselves don't even lift one of your fingers to ease the burdens.
(47) How terrible it will be for you! For you build monuments for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them!
(48) So you are witnesses and approve of the deeds of your ancestors, because they killed those for whom you are building monuments.
(49) That is why the Wisdom of God said, I will send them prophets and apostles. They will kill some of them and persecute others,
(50) so that this generation will be charged with the blood of all the prophets that was shed since the foundation of the world,
(51) from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who died between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it will be charged against this generation!
(52) How terrible it will be for you experts in the Law! For you have taken away the key to knowledge. You didn't go in yourselves, and you kept out those who were trying to go in."
“But woe to you who are rich! For you have received your consolation. Woe to you who are full! For you shall hunger. Woe to you who laugh now! For you shall mourn and weep. Woe to you when all men shall speak well of you! For so their fathers did to the false prophets” (Luke 6:24-26 MKJV).
“And I saw and I heard one angel flying in mid-heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, from the rest of the voices of the trumpet of the three angels being about to sound!” (Revelation 8:13 MKJV).
“How terrible for them! They have followed the way that Cain took. For the sake of money they have given themselves over to the error that Balaam committed. They have rebelled as Korah rebelled, and like him they are destroyed (Jude 1:11 GNB).
These are your sins, Glen, and your judgment won’t be quite as enjoyable or easy as you expected. Like we’ve said, you fall into The Deadly Error of the Universalists.
We aren’t accusing you, we do know ourselves, and we know and judge you because we know the Lord:
“But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ” (1 Corinthians 2:15-16 MKJV).
Be reminded that you started this conflict by making assumptions and false assertions about where Paul was coming from, but we finish it without assumptions by the Word of God so necessary for you.
Victor
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-----Original Message-----
From: Glen
Sent: May 27, 2012 5:17 PM
To: victor@thepathoftruth.com
Subject: Re: The Word of God
Victor,
There really is nothing more to say. You believe you're right and there is no way to convince you otherwise. Your perception of me is completely groundless and your use of scriptures to somehow state your case against me is pathetic. I made one observation about you in the beginning. I would have welcomed a rebuttal that was a little more argumentative and less of an attack on me and my character. Admittedly, I did start it by questioning your judgment of others. For that let me apologize. But what I've witnessed ever since leads me to believe it was pretty accurate.
I truly hope that your situation will change. I hope you'll curb your desire to judge others and see things in a different light. That mirror you talked about is now turned around you. What I said about welcoming judgment I meant purely from the standpoint of molding us into the image of Christ. It is painful at times, but so was the cost of salvation. But for some that pain is greater and more intense.
So all I have to say is if you felt that you needed to create an attack on me and my character because I started this, then I'm sorry for starting it. Your weak attempts to attack my character failed, your use of scripture to paint me in a light other than the one the God has of me was very poor, and I wish you nothing but the best in the future. But if you want to continue the baseless attacks on me, just know that it won't be me judging you. The One whom truly should fear will be.
[End of Correspondence]
Subject: Christian Universalism
From: Glen
To: Ask
Date: 5/1/2012 8:22 PM
I had noticed your website commenting on the teachings of Stephen Jones. While your views differ on the subject of Israel, I find the subject of Christian Universalism, or what some call "Restorationism", very difficult to argue against. On what grounds scripturally can you argue against it?
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Subject: Your take on False Teachers
From: Glen
To: Ask
Date: 5/1/2012 8:52 PM
While I respect greatly the fact that we hold to the same view of God's grace, I have a difficult time taking serious how you point out others as "false teachers" but sell yourselves as "true teachers." It always concerns me when men do that, as if they hold all the answers. Try to avoid doing that and be more humble in your approach. Avoid considering yourselves as teachers, there is truly only one teacher.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Cohen
To: Glen
Cc: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Christian Universalism/Your take on False Teachers
Hi Glen,
We received two emails from you, which we’re answering here. In the first one you ask: On what grounds scripturally can you argue against it [“Restorationism”]?
The fact is we don’t argue against it; we support it. Read the writings in The Restitution of All Things.
We do, however, refute those who use this doctrine as a license for lawlessness, presuming to have entered into the Holy City while yet in their sins. You can also read several writings and letters about that here: Universalism – The False Kind.
In your second email you reject teachers from God. Now the shoe’s on the other foot and we must ask you on what grounds you Scripturally argue against God’s ordained order and ministries.
“And God placed some in the assembly: firstly, apostles; secondly, prophets; thirdly, teachers; then works of power; then gifts of healing, helps, governings, kinds of languages” (1 Corinthians 12:28 LITV).
There is indeed great responsibility with the calling of a teacher, which is why James writes:
“My brothers, do not be many teachers, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. For in many things we all offend. If anyone does not offend in word, the same is a full-grown man, able also to bridle the whole body” (James 3:1-2 MKJV).
Yes, the Holy Spirit is every man’s teacher, but that by no means eliminates the ministries He raises up to teach believers His ways.
“Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you” (Hebrews 13:17 KJV).
How else can men submit, except by the Spirit of God Who is leading them?
If you’ve never had any to lead you, Glen, if you’ve never submitted to a man of God, it’s likely because you’re not one of His sheep. You certainly approach us as a Pharisee who is full, and not as a humble one who hungers after the truth. If you were one of His lost sheep, you’d receive spiritual food from the hand of His shepherds, as well as His rod and staff.
On his Path of Truth website, Elijah listed at least 450 prophets of Baal and numerous priests and priestesses of Ashtoreth as false teachers. He didn’t mince words with them, did he? He publicly made it known to all Israel that false teachers ought not to be tolerated.
Today, not knowing the difference between false and true, men not only allow false teachers to remain, they blindly and enthusiastically follow, entertain, fellowship with, praise, and finance them. The same mixture existing in Noah’s day, for which cause God destroyed the earth, exists today. Only the Fire and Light of His Word will counter the established rampant iniquity prevailing in the Name of Jesus Christ.
As born again believers and true ministers of the Lord Jesus Christ, it isn’t for us to bring physical or temporal legal retribution, but it is for us to not only refrain from having fellowship with, but also to speak out against, those who preach falsehood and snare many souls:
Ephesians 5:11-14 MKJV
(11) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
(12) For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.
(13) But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light.
(14) Therefore he says, ‘Awake, sleeping ones! And arise from the dead, and Christ shall give you light.’
You say you have a difficult time taking our false teachers list seriously, but what proof do you have that we err about any of those we list? Please do bring forth substance; we welcome it. If you can’t show that we do, why should we take you seriously?
Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk
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----- Original Message -----
From: Glen
To: Paul Cohen
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: Christian Universalism/Your take on False Teachers
Hi,Paul,
Wow! That's a lot to take in. Seems as if, though we agree on all the major points, I seem to have touched a nerve. My point was that there is nothing worse than pious arrogance. While most of the people on your list might be qualify as false teachers, or teaching something false, you seem to set yourselves up to be the absolute authority. You've got the most important things down and understand the most profound mystery of God's grace. But you lack humility in the face of that knowledge. Always understand that what knowledge we have is limited at best. If the scriptures were absolutely clear on every issue to every person, we would all see God in the same light.Continue to grow in love, God's love. Besides, the One you and I submit to, was willing to lay down his life for us. Would we do the same for each other? If not, you haven't arrived yet, but neither have I.
Now as far as your tirade against me, I guess there are some things that I deserve. Something's I didn't deserve, and were just plain ridiculous! Maybe I came on a little strong. By no means do I feel that what you're teaching is wrong. But it is limited. There is always more to learn. I also respect the fact that you used scripture to argue your point. I didn't reject you, but rather the arrogance you showed in arguing your point. But again there is still a lot you need to learn, as do I. God has a way of humbling us when we get that way.I pray to grow in Gpd's love and wisdom, I pray you do the same.
& nbsp; Glen
----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Hafichuk
To: Glen
Cc: Paul Cohen
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:39 PM
Subject: A Look in The Mirror
Glen, Victor here from The Path of Truth, co-worker with Paul Cohen,
You’ve touched no nerve here at all. We fail to see any reaction in Paul or his letter you perceive there to be. His letter was matter-of-fact, to the point, well-intentioned, and with much good counsel. He gave you exactly what the Lord gave him to give you, without a trace of enmity or rancor.
Nor did either of us find as you surmise, “Maybe I came on a little strong.” In our judgment, you simply stated your understanding in plainness of speech – nothing wrong with that.
The question is: Why do you perceive his reply the way you do? It’s because you are defensive, that is, fearful. Maybe not fearful in the sense of trembling fearful, but insecure, not sure to the heart of what you believe. You’ve been indoctrinated. What you have isn’t your own and so you fidget on ground that is sand and not rock.
You’re insecure because you aren’t worshipping the Lord. You don’t have His Spirit. There are several indicators of that in all your letters, perhaps particularly in your last letter. I’ll cover some of those with you.
The Kingdom of God and fellowship with and in Him aren’t about agreement in doctrine, which seems to be your notion and emphasis.
Idolatry makes anyone insecure. Instinctively, all idolaters know they fall short and something isn’t right. That’s why idolaters often go to such extremes, even sacrificing their own children. They aren’t assured because they can’t be, not down to the heart of hearts. They know better even when they fervently defend themselves insisting they’re right.
You’re a Bibliolater, Glen. You say, for example, “Always understand that what knowledge we have is limited at best. If the scriptures were absolutely clear on every issue to every person, we would all see God in the same light.”
You’re insecure because your gods are limited, those being your understanding and the Bible as you perceive and revere it. Your spiritual knowledge is certainly limited, not having received the Spirit of the Lord and therefore not having His Mind. Thus you rely on the Scriptures and your ability to decipher them. You fail in your righteousness, “not trusting in the Lord with all your heart, but leaning on your own understanding.”
Our understanding isn’t limited because we have received His Spirit. Knowing the Author, we know the Scriptures. And here’s the Scriptural proof of our confident declaration of faith you call “arrogance”:
“However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth. For He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever He hears, He shall speak. And He will announce to you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will receive of Mine and will announce it to you” (John 16:13-14 MKJV).
It’s obvious you’ve never experienced the reality of the promise of the One you profess to worship. You say, “there is still a lot you need to learn, as do I” and “By no means do I feel that what you're teaching is wrong. But it is limited. There is always more to learn.”
What is it you have to learn, Glen? Could it be that we can have His Spirit and Mind and therefore not be limited? What do the Scriptures you worship have to say in support of our declarations?
“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things” (1 John 2:20 MKJV).
“But the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true and no lie, and as He has taught you, abide in Him” (1 John 2:27 MKJV).
The peculiar thing about Bibliolaters is that while they worship the Bible, they are blind to its substance; they don’t believe what it plainly says. Isn’t that ironic? Yet, that truth is in keeping with God’s spiritual Law and principles.
You may argue with us in terms of carnal knowledge, but we aren’t speaking of knowing all things in those terms. Not having His Spirit, you won’t understand. Indeed, the things we say here you’ll hold in contempt, but by the grace of God.
You write, “you seem to set yourselves up to be the absolute authority.”
You mean like the prophets and apostles of the Scriptures, like Moses and Elijah for examples, who came speaking by the authority of God as He sent them? Yes, we speak as by His absolute authority, but no, we haven’t set ourselves up to do so. That’s His initiative and work, not ours, possible only for Him, but impossible for us.
But again you give yourself away in that statement, not realizing that Paul and I are greater than Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, or John the Baptist. You don’t know this because you’ve never been born again. If you’ve had a conversion, it’s a spurious one, or at best, much limited to repentance before receiving the Spirit.
You write, “Besides, the One you and I submit to, was willing to lay down his life for us. Would we do the same for each other?”
We’ve done it for you. Have you done it for us? He Who lives in us and with Whom we are crucified has taken our lives and we have willingly laid them down for all. How would you know we haven’t, you who lack knowledge of Him and His ways, not having His Spirit?
You say, “But you lack humility in the face of that knowledge.” Really? Glen, how do you make that judgment? You make it after the appearance, according to your limited understanding. You’re blind to Him and to us who are in His stead.
You say, “You've got the most important things down and understand the most profound mystery of God's grace.” Do we? Are you being sarcastic or sincere? We’ll take your words at face value, because I think you’re sincere, though misinformed. But how would you know? We happen to know that fact is true, but we also know that what you’re talking about is something other than what we know, and you’re wrong.
You sign off with, “I pray to grow in Gpd's love and wisdom, I pray you do the same.”
Consider that our letters to you are His answer to your prayers. By us, He has certainly informed you of your spiritual need, with no condescension.
It’s amazing how people are guilty of the very things they accuse us. We hold up a mirror to them, they see the image and say it’s us.
Glen, why are we writing you and speaking the way we do to you? It wouldn’t be such a problem with you if you were humble and had some comprehension of how little you know and of how much in the dark you are concerning the matters of the Kingdom of God. But your stance is one of cocksureness, disguised with false humility, trying to soften your judgments of us by including yourself with self-depreciation - “as do I,” and “I pray to grow in Gpd's love and wisdom,” and “but neither have I.”
So we write, not to condemn, but to expose you to yourself, if perhaps God will grant you repentance from your arrogance and pride. You might want to read The Baptism in the Holy Spirit, The Three Degrees, and Victor Hafichuk’s Testimony. Goodness, it wouldn’t hurt you to read the entire site! It’s God’s Word to the world.
By His grace and absolute authority, and none of our own,
Victor
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-----Original Message-----
From: Glen
Sent: May 9, 2012 8:17 PM
To: victor@thepathoftruth.com
Subject: Re: A Look in The Mirror
Have a good night,Victor.I feel no need to argue.looking forward to a peaceful night sleep.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen"
To: <victor@thepathoftruth.com>
Cc: "Paul Cohen"
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: A Look in The Mirror
God is my judge. Not you. Prepare yourself to be humbled. And just remember, God`s judgments are for the purpose of correction, however painful they may seem. God bless you and Paul. May he give you strength to endure what's coming. May he give you wisdom to discern God's purpose in it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Hafichuk
To: Glen
Cc: Paul Cohen
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:03 AM
Subject: Re[3]: A Look in The Mirror
Glen, it is certainly true that God is your judge, and we have been sent by Jesus Christ even as he was sent by the Father. He is God, and we are His emissaries.
If He is your judge, and He sends us, then we are judging righteous judgment by and in Him. You’ve been judged here and now. You’ve been weighed and found wanting on the Scales of Divine Judgment.
But you are not of The Sons of Correction, and therefore you despise God’s judgment, calling it of man and unjust. You recoil at due rebuke.
You predict or prophesy of our being humbled. We know our Father by His Son, His business and ways, and what He has done with us for His work today, and we know it’s your time and not ours for humbling.
You mistake our knowledge and conviction by the Spirit of God for arrogance, and your false humility for godliness. It won’t take long for your correction to come; indeed, it’s here, and you’ll not be prepared for it, neither will you be able to prepare yourself. It’s beyond you.
You didn’t have a peaceful sleep the other night as planned. There’ll be more of those.
Proverbs 1:24-33 ESV
(24) Because I have called and you refused to listen, have stretched out My hand and no one has heeded,
(25) because you have ignored all My counsel and would have none of My reproof,
(26) I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when terror strikes you,
(27) when terror strikes you like a storm and your calamity comes like a whirlwind, when distress and anguish come upon you.
(28) Then they will call upon Me, but I will not answer; they will seek Me diligently but will not find Me.
(29) Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the LORD,
(30) would have none of My counsel and despised all My reproof,
(31) therefore they shall eat the fruit of their way, and have their fill of their own devices.
(32) For the simple are killed by their turning away, and the complacency of fools destroys them;
(33) but whoever listens to Me will dwell secure and will be at ease, without dread of disaster.
Victor and Paul
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From: Glen
Sent: May 14, 2012 10:29 PM
To: Victor Hafichuk
Subject: Re: Re[3]: A Look in The Mirror
Victor,
You take the low road, and I'll take the high road. You say I'm being judged, I accept that. Judgment brings correction. There are things I still need to be corrected on.It's a daily thing we go through as Sons (Though you may disagree with whether I qualify as a Son). But the same things I accused you of in the beginning are being made more and more apparent with every corresponding e-mail. Pride kills your witness. You have such a beautiful message to share, but when you respond the way you do,your not helping your cause. I've also noticed that others have commented that they didn't even know that you were Restorationists until they read your website further. Point being this: you"ve become very legalistic. How has this happened? Why would you,having received and being annointed to preach such a beautiful truth, have lost sight of that fact? What killed your witness?
I think it might be this: As anyone who has received this truth, you've been met with a great deal of resistance. When I came to this knowledge, I thought I was the only one seeing this in the scripture. When I came to find out that more people were out there that believed in this message. So I thought that naturally that my Pastor and others would be excited to hear about such a beautiful message of God's love and grace. Wrong! So I took all the slings and arrows that they could dish out. They hurt and made me mad and bitter at times. But one of the things about being a Son of Correction, as you say, is that every once in a while you have to go through times when you have to take on punishments that you might not deserve. Should we do any less in light of the cross? But what I've noticed happens over time is we can grow impatient awaiting the time when this message will be revealed to the world. A time when God will use us and move us to the places he intends us to be. But when we get there, we'll be able to stand up to anything the world might dish out and respomd with the love that fills us. But yet I've seen some grow so impatient that they actually deconverted from there Christian faith. How sad!
So let me encourage you, rather than continue this futile debate, to persevere through whatever corrections you may go through. When it's all said and done, you'll shine like the Son! I'm done with back and forth banter about judgment and who's of God and who's not (I never denied that about you).We are both on the same team! (Whether you think so or not!) It's sad that most of the wounds to the body of Christ are self-inflicted! I refuse to participate in crucifying him all over again. When we've reached full maturity is when we realize that pain of being crucified is much better than the pain of offending the Lord. So the ball is in your court. What do you say?
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Cohen
To: Glen
Cc: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:42 PM
Subject: Worship of a Doctrine
“Cry aloud, spare not, lift up your voice like a trumpet, and show My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins” (Isaiah 58:1 KJV).
Glen, you write, “I've also noticed that others have commented that they didn't even know that you were Restorationists until they read your website further. Point being this: you"ve become very legalistic.”
We aren’t “Restorationists,” because, by His grace, neither this doctrine nor any other is our god. As for those who don’t know we believe God will restore all things, that’s their problem, not ours. And that problem often happens because they’re in idolatry of the doctrine of the restoration of all things, as are you.
So you found our section, Universalism – The False Kind, to be a “beautiful message”? You’re a dupe of this false Universalist gospel, but the fault lies with you, and not with the liars or lies you believe. You follow them because you don’t love the truth:
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 MKJV
(8) And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming,
(9) whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
(10) and with all deceit of unrighteousness in those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, so that they might be saved.
(11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie,
(12) so that all those who do not believe the truth, but delight in unrighteousness, might be condemned.
So of course you call us “legalistic,” because you’re the lawless one, the man of sin who speaks from the illegitimate throne of his father, Satan, according to the Word just quoted from 2 Thessalonians. And you’re right - we know you’re not our brother or brother of the Lord:
“He who is of God hears God's Words. Therefore you do not hear them because you are not of God” (John 8:47 MKJV).
“We are of God. He who knows God hears us. The one who is not of God does not hear us. From this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error” (1 John 4:6 MKJV).
Your desperate attempt to rationalize away what we say is so very wrong and foolish. We aren’t mad or bitter. But the reason you’ve been that way is because you worship a doctrine. Worshipping anything other than the Lord is idolatry, and idolaters walk in their own righteousness. That’s why you’re offended, and because we serve the Lord Jesus Christ, we experience the truth of His words:
“Blessed are you when men shall hate you, and when they shall cut you off, and when they shall reproach you and shall cast out your name as evil, for the sake of the Son of Man [and not for the sake of a doctrine]. Rejoice in that day and leap for joy. For behold, your reward is great in Heaven. For so their fathers did according to these things to the prophets” (Luke 6:22-23 MKJV).
You write, confirming that you worship a doctrine: “But what I've noticed happens over time is we can grow impatient awaiting the time when this message will be revealed to the world.” The doctrine of the reconciliation of all things doesn’t bring sinners to repentance and reconciliation with God. Only Jesus Christ, the Word of God made flesh, can do that, and you don’t know or preach Him. You haven’t been reconciled to God, Glen.
We’re thankful for what God has done for us, and no, we haven’t been defeated in spirit by opposition; far from it. But you’re still at enmity with God as witnessed by the way you initially approached us and now continue to respond in these letters, in all darkness and defensiveness, trying to bluff and cajole your way out of your judgment. It isn’t working. Your efforts are futile, while ours are anything but.
The Lord is here consuming you with the breath of His mouth, and you can’t do anything except be judged, not according to your definition, but in reality, according to the Truth Incarnate, the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be His Name!
Paul and Victor
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen
To: Paul Cohen
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Worship of a Doctrine
Victor,
In your last letter, you make some valid points about doctrinal worship. I used the term Restorationist because that seems to be the only word that there is to describe what we believe. If you have a better word or phrase, I'd be interested to know. Again,the point is not to put God in a box. We have the word of God, but even there we bicker and argue about whose view is right. You assume a lot of things in your letters. Most of which are not true. I love how you quote 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 and claim that I am a "lawless one" because I call you legalistic. Sadly, you have been legalistic. But at times, so have I. God's still working on me, as he is working on you But in no way would I ever refer to you as lawless. Misguided or a little off the mark at times maybe. But not lawless. I'm sure that by the time he finishes working in you'll see things differently.
As far as your claim that I worship a doctrine, I HAVE NEVER LAUGHED SO HARD IN MY LIFE! YOU REALLY, REALLY DON'T ME! People who know me would laugh at that statement. It's sad you feel that way, but all my life I've dealt with attitudes like yours. Be very careful how you use scripture in your judgments of others. Sadly, God will hold you more accountable. I am confident that in the end God will show you the error of your ways. However painful it will be, when that time comes, remember you are forgiven.
In closing, I like the way you closed out. I am glad he is consuming me, for he is an all-consuming fire. I welcome his judgments, just like David did. Through his judgments I am purified and corrected, as will you and Paul be. And he certainly was the Truth Incarnate. He is my Lord and yours. I'm thankful everyday for the sacrifice he made for all mankind. I'm humbled by what he teaches me everyday, even through the sad attempts by men like yourself to falsely accuse me. So keep it coming, if you choose! It's of no effect. GOD IS MY JUDGE.I'VE YET TO SEE WHERE YOU HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER ME TO JUDGE.ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU DO NOT KNOW ME.YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW YOURSELVES.
&nb sp; Glen
----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Hafichuk
To: Glen
Cc: Paul Cohen
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:33 PM
Subject: The Word of God
Hi Glen,
The Word of God isn’t the letter of the Scriptures but the Living Substance. That is what we refer to as the Word of God. With Him, there is no bickering, nothing anyone can gainsay or resist.
You say I assume many things in my letters not true. I’d like to hear them because I know of none, though you may be right.
I didn’t call you a “lawless one” because you called me legalistic. You called me legalistic because you’re lawless. There are levels and degrees of lawlessness, but essentially, lawlessness is one.
Many have gods they would sincerely deny worshipping, not realizing the depth of their infatuation with them.
I believe you don’t hold anything against me personally and have never believed otherwise. So I’m not speaking on my behalf.
You welcome judgment? I don’t, though if I need it, I know the best thing to do is yield to it. Here’s what Jesus said about judgment, which you say you welcome. He didn’t think it was a welcome thing at all:
Luke 11:43-52 ISV
(43) How terrible it will be for you Pharisees! For you love to have the places of honor in the synagogues and to be greeted in the marketplaces.
(44) How terrible it will be for you! For you are like unmarked graves, and people walk on them without realizing it.
(45) Then one of the experts in the Law said to Him, Teacher, when You say these things, You insult us, too.
(46) Jesus said, How terrible it will be for you experts in the Law, too! For you load people with burdens that are hard to carry, yet you yourselves don't even lift one of your fingers to ease the burdens.
(47) How terrible it will be for you! For you build monuments for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them!
(48) So you are witnesses and approve of the deeds of your ancestors, because they killed those for whom you are building monuments.
(49) That is why the Wisdom of God said, I will send them prophets and apostles. They will kill some of them and persecute others,
(50) so that this generation will be charged with the blood of all the prophets that was shed since the foundation of the world,
(51) from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who died between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it will be charged against this generation!
(52) How terrible it will be for you experts in the Law! For you have taken away the key to knowledge. You didn't go in yourselves, and you kept out those who were trying to go in."
“But woe to you who are rich! For you have received your consolation. Woe to you who are full! For you shall hunger. Woe to you who laugh now! For you shall mourn and weep. Woe to you when all men shall speak well of you! For so their fathers did to the false prophets” (Luke 6:24-26 MKJV).
“And I saw and I heard one angel flying in mid-heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, from the rest of the voices of the trumpet of the three angels being about to sound!” (Revelation 8:13 MKJV).
“How terrible for them! They have followed the way that Cain took. For the sake of money they have given themselves over to the error that Balaam committed. They have rebelled as Korah rebelled, and like him they are destroyed (Jude 1:11 GNB).
These are your sins, Glen, and your judgment won’t be quite as enjoyable or easy as you expected. Like we’ve said, you fall into The Deadly Error of the Universalists.
We aren’t accusing you, we do know ourselves, and we know and judge you because we know the Lord:
“But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ” (1 Corinthians 2:15-16 MKJV).
Be reminded that you started this conflict by making assumptions and false assertions about where Paul was coming from, but we finish it without assumptions by the Word of God so necessary for you.
Victor
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-----Original Message-----
From: Glen
Sent: May 27, 2012 5:17 PM
To: victor@thepathoftruth.com
Subject: Re: The Word of God
Victor,
There really is nothing more to say. You believe you're right and there is no way to convince you otherwise. Your perception of me is completely groundless and your use of scriptures to somehow state your case against me is pathetic. I made one observation about you in the beginning. I would have welcomed a rebuttal that was a little more argumentative and less of an attack on me and my character. Admittedly, I did start it by questioning your judgment of others. For that let me apologize. But what I've witnessed ever since leads me to believe it was pretty accurate.
I truly hope that your situation will change. I hope you'll curb your desire to judge others and see things in a different light. That mirror you talked about is now turned around you. What I said about welcoming judgment I meant purely from the standpoint of molding us into the image of Christ. It is painful at times, but so was the cost of salvation. But for some that pain is greater and more intense.
So all I have to say is if you felt that you needed to create an attack on me and my character because I started this, then I'm sorry for starting it. Your weak attempts to attack my character failed, your use of scripture to paint me in a light other than the one the God has of me was very poor, and I wish you nothing but the best in the future. But if you want to continue the baseless attacks on me, just know that it won't be me judging you. The One whom truly should fear will be.
[End of Correspondence]