Is the Earth Flat?

[Simon Hall]

Lawrence, I agree with both Victor and Martin.

The first thing that came to my mind when I red your post, was the word "hypocrite". You rebuke Martin for speaking the truth, yet you say nothing to Carl for the putrid lies and accusations that came out of his mouth, especially considering they were aimed at men of God, and therefore at the Lord Himself. Do you think to save Carl from the fires by cajoling him with knowledge and false love?..........Humbug!
http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falsehood ... /index.htm.
By the way, Martin was right in not trying to snatch and/or rescue Carl from the fires as you think he should have been. He was confirming Carl's extreme need of the fire of God. Only once Carl has been through that unquenchable fire, will he be rescued (saved). And Carl is in sure need of it, as proven again in his post just now, as well as some of his previous posts.
The apostle Paul was unequivocal in his direction for the man in 1 Corinthians 5 to be handed over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh for the man's own good, and that's exactly what is happening here.
So where are you going to stand on this, Lawrence? You can't have a foot in both camps!

And as for you, Carl, you are an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ. You are of your father, the devil. You have come here to be judged, and judged you have been. In no uncertain terms it is off to destruction for you.
And just a side note, Carl, I don't have the power to cast you off this forum, but as far as I'm concerned, you and your filthy spirit are not welcome here anymore.

[Martin Van Popta]

Carl, it's not Jesus' blood that covers you. It is the blood of Baalzebub, the lord of the flies, that you've defiled yourself with. The Blood of Christ brings life, not the stink of death that we smell on you.

Yes, Satan is a mocker and you with him. What of it? Except that you're twice the child of Hell that he is.

We do believe in Hell. We've been there and now we're in heaven watching while you burn. But we know the fires pass when there's no corruption left to burn, and there's no sense reasoning with you until then.

Martin

[Alan Agnew]

Lawrence, I rejoiced when I first saw Martin's reply to Carl. Carl will need a lot of spiritual AC where he is and where he will be. However, I have to admit your use of the Scriptures made me wonder if Martin was wrong. I didn't know either way, but I did not bother looking into the matter at work. Your rebuke is awful and does not help Carl, for he needs harsh words. Thank you Lord for allowing me to see this.

However, Carl has not answered me. He brushed me off, thus I should have been harsher at the start. Hmm, I was holding back by placing landmines as questions instead of hitting directly. (And believe it, Carl set off the mines anyway.) But any chance he had to defuse them with truth is way past. Just admit it, Carl, your behavior is of evil, not of God.

Carl, please delete all of your Internet accounts. Flat Earthers like you ruin every site they go to, worse so when done in God's Name. I doubt it'll happen, so we have to leave you to the fire.

Moreover, why in the world did you suspect Victor and Paul were homosexuals? There is great darkness in you to say that, isn't there?

[Alan Agnew]

A relevant E-mail exchange oncerning words from Jesus Christ on the flat Earth matter is posted below. E-mails were all written today.

From Alan Agnew
To Victor Hafichuk

I asked Victor if it was appropiate to share the Lord's words with the public. Victor told me to let qualified people judge this to see if it is of Jesus Christ, so I bring it here.

I woke up around when Jeff first made his flat Earth question on the forum, red it, and noted that nobody replied to him yet. So I lied down in bed and wondered about what the elders and God will say to Jeff. Was the Earth flat or round? I was fine with either answer.

So then I believe I heard the Lord say, "The Earth is round, Alan." Also, He started speaking after a short sigh from Him.

I do not remember much of what I felt, but that was a satisfactory answer. Victor then replied on the forum and said the Earth was round, too, some time later on the topic. I recall looking up more flat Earth or round Earth arguments later, but I felt like I offended God in researching since it would be unbelief, right? Sorry, I should have known that research is faulty without revelation (some flat earthers can explain anything, even if portals are needed).

It is a witness to support what you all are saying about a spherical Earth, if the five words came from Him. That I leave you all to judge.

Thank you,



Alan Agnew

From Victor Hafichuk
To Alan Agnew

I testify that what you heard is from the Lord because your report here reminds me that at about the same time you say you heard from the Lord and how He sighed, I saw Him shaking His head at the sheer stupidity of people. Not that He was contemptuous so much as marveling and grieved. This should all be posted at the Forum.

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[Alan Agnew]

In addition, I was surprised at how my heart puffed with pride after reading Victor's confirmation, an attitude of, "See, I heard from God!"

I felt horrified at what the man of sin said. I felt like stoning him because I feared God and knew such pride is awful. Or should I foolishly think He speaks for my own glory? (Of course not.) I am sorry, God, because all glory is for you, not me.

[Victor Hafichuk]

Hi, everyone! Stephen Beiler wrote the following apology and explanation for his recent absence. He asked me to post it.

Dear Victor,

I have sinned greatly against the Lord and against you as an Elder and against His body.


Early in 2017, after coming to the PathOf Truth, (because of trying to save my life) out of fear of man and unbelief, even tho I was deeply convicted, I did not follow through in obedience,

the Lord gave me over to a strong delusion. ( He just revealed this to me) in my delusion I searched the you tube channel and came across flat earth videos , I wasted a lot of time on that trash , in my delusion I really believed what I was learning and worst of all saw it as one with THE TRUTH.

When the flat earth question was posted on the forum I was very anxious, not knowing what you would say, but with all the responses my world was shattered ( Thank You Lord) and I found myself doubting The Truth, even to the point where I doubted you being a man of God, for a short time it seemed like I had lost faith and in rebellion ,believed the lie,

I don't know what it means to blaspheme The Holy Spirit, but after repenting and receiving forgiveness I realize how powerless I am, having nothing of my own, yet I still struggle within (my wife is not in agreement with me at all) , is this the war you referred to Victor?

I deal with fear, like what if there is after all eternal punishment, I just had this thought or revelation that my motive for doing right is the fear of punishment in whatever form it comes. ( that is not faith) please forgive me Lord, help me to trust You, and to be obedient for Your Glory , to give, to give, for Your Glory and not to get, to be thankful in all things, knowing You make ALL things work together for good.

Thank You, Lord!!!

( I am very sorry Victor and the rest of the Body, can you please forgive me? I asked The Lord for forgiveness and it was granted of which I am not worthy but so thankful!

All I know to do is trust The Lord in all things, which I can't do on my own, believe that He is Lord over everything, good and evil, that too I have no power on my own!

Sincerely,
Stephen

P. S. Would you please post this on the forum, I just wanted to send it to you first. Thank you!

[Victor Hafichuk]

I forgive you, Stephen, as I'm sure others here do as well.

Many are the snares and traps laid out by the enemy to capture the spiritual sojourner.

1 Peter 5:6-11 MKJV
(6) Therefore be humbled under the mighty hand of God, so that He may exalt you in due time,
(7) casting all your anxiety on Him, for He cares for you.
(8) Be sensible and vigilant, because your adversary the Devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour;
(9) whom firmly resist in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions in the world are being completed in your brotherhood.
(10) But the God of all grace, He calling us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a little, He will perfect, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.
(11) To Him be the glory and the might forever and ever. Amen.

Proverbs 24:13-16 MKJV
(13) My son, eat honey because it is good; and the honeycomb is sweet to your palate;
(14) so shall the knowledge of wisdom be to your soul; when you have found it, then there shall be a reward, and your hope shall not be cut off.
(15) Wicked one, do not lie in ambush at the dwelling of the righteous; do not spoil his resting place;
(16) for a just one falls seven times, and rises up again; but the wicked shall fall into evil.

Seeing we are in the Land of Milk and Honey, we have the Honey, which is given to those who seek after the Lord Jesus Christ, Who IS the Promised Land. Those who repent and to whom the Lord grants mercy are delivered out of the pit they've fallen in. He pulls them out, and those who promote lies may prevail for a time, but will end in the pit they dug for others.

By the way, the Land of Milk and Honey is Heaven to those who eat what God has sanctified by His Word and prayer, but to Vegans, the Promised Land is pure hell.

1 Timothy 4:1-5 GNB
(1) The Spirit says clearly that some people will abandon the faith in later times; they will obey lying spirits and follow the teachings of demons.

(2) Such teachings are spread by deceitful liars, whose consciences are dead, as if burnt with a hot iron.
(3) Such people teach that it is wrong to marry and to eat certain foods. But God created those foods to be eaten, after a prayer of thanks, by those who are believers and have come to know the truth.
(4) Everything that God has created is good; nothing is to be rejected, but everything is to be received with a prayer of thanks,
(5) because the word of God and the prayer make it acceptable to God.

[Tami Viktil]

I came across this post as I once was indulging in too many conspiracy theories but not seeking the truth of God's word.

After reading all the comments I am kindly requesting information on how to remove my from this site. As I am not under man's authority but God's I will share why.

The world is under a veil of great deception as we can all agree. The carnal world distorts and hides God's truth so why not in this aspect as well? Up until the 1400's the heliocentric solar system was not heard of until astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus introduced it. There was a comment made about the authenticity of information about the flat earth "theory" coming from men such as Rob Skiba but the globe "theory" came from a man not inspired by the Holy Spirit as well.

One thing God has showed me is that all world systems/organizations are corrupt.
The public school system, the medical system and so forth...

The reason for my request of removing my name off of the Path of Truth site is not because of this issue but because of the belittling and insults that have been made from those claiming to be under God's authority and under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Jesus called people "fools" but did insult or name call. Godly instruction and correction is acceptable but this is not and I will not have my name associated with it.

The fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness and self-control.

[Paul Cohen]

Tami,

You write:

The reason for my request of removing my name off of the Path of Truth site is not because of this issue [flat earth] but because of the belittling and insults that have been made from those claiming to be under God's authority and under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Jesus called people "fools" but did insult or name call. Godly instruction and correction is acceptable but this is not and I will not have my name associated with it.

So if Jesus called people “fools,” He didn’t insult or name call, but if we do it, we’re unacceptably belittling and insulting Carl Jones? Perhaps you’re implying that Jesus, being Lord of all, could say such things, but we as sinners redeemed by Him can’t make such judgments. You can explain that, if you will.

But how about John the Immerser? According to your guidelines, didn’t he wrongly “belittle and insult” the Pharisees and other religious who came to his baptism when calling them “vipers”?

“Then he said to the crowd that came forth to be baptized by him, O generation of vipers! Who has warned you to flee from the wrath to come?” (Luke 3:7 MKJV)

Did the Lord find fault with John? No, but He did say this:

Matthew 11:7-11 MKJV
(7) And as they departed, Jesus began to say to the crowds concerning John, What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
(8) But what did you go out to see? A man clothed in soft clothing? Behold, they who wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
(9) But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yea, I say to you, and one more excellent than a prophet.
(10) For this is the one of whom it is written, "Behold, I send My messenger before Your face, who shall prepare Your way before You."
(11) Truly I say to you, Among those who have been born of women there has not risen a greater one than John the Baptist. But the least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he.

So if John exposed vipers, why not the least in the Kingdom being able and given to do so? Don’t the Scriptures show the apostles rebuking such as Carl Jones?

“Then Saul (who is also Paul), filled with the Holy Spirit, set his eyes on him and said, O son of the Devil, full of all deceit and all craftiness, enemy of all righteousness, will you not stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?” (Acts 13:9-10 MKJV)

Or are you saying Carl Jones isn’t a son of Satan? Didn’t he prove that he was by his reaction to the things said to him, just as the Pharisees and religious that John rebuked proved their lineage by persecuting and crucifying the Lord? Can’t you see that Carl is a counterfeit Christian who promotes knowledge rather than salvation through the cross? Don’t you think it’s a service to believers and all of humanity, including Carl, to have the light shone on his ways and anti-Christ stance? Or do you think your kind of love that dwells in darkness will win the day? False Love – Satan’s Last Stronghold

You also write, regarding the world being a globe:

The carnal world distorts and hides God's truth so why not in this aspect as well?

“Why not?” How about, “Why?” What’s in it for NASA and the “powers that be” to promote a spherical earth? But aside from any considerations along those lines, the Lord has answered about the shape of the earth, and He says it’s a globe, so it’s the end of argumental speculation for those who believe. And the evidence supports what He says, as it must.

Also, not everything in a text book or taught in the world is wrong. Only those whose minds and consciences are defiled think so. Do these Scriptures describe your stance and attitude, Tami?

“To the pure all things are pure. But to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure, but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that they know God, but in their works they deny Him, being abominable and disobedient and reprobate to every good work” (Titus 1:15-16 MKJV).

But it so happens we ARE speaking and preaching by God’s authority and you have appointed your righteous self as our judge and therefore, Jesus Christ’s judge, for what you do to those He sends, you do to Him.

If you don’t want to answer or engage further here, let us know, and we’ll remove you from the Forum as requested. You can go your way and destroy yourself; we will not prevent you. After all, who has warned YOU to flee from the wrath to come?

[Brandon LaBerteaux]

Tami,

You say the fruits of the Holy Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control. I think you left out gentleness and patience by accident.

Regarding love:

“And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.”
‭‭2 John‬ ‭1:6

Regarding joy:

“Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials [corrections, purgings, tribulations] of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:2-4‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Regarding peace:

“"There is no peace," says the Lord, "for the wicked."”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭48:22‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:34‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Regarding patience:

“preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:2‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Regarding kindness:

“For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11:21-23‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Regarding goodness:

“I myself am satisfied about you, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge and able to instruct one another.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭15:14‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Regarding gentleness:

“I do not write these things to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel. I urge you, then, be imitators of me. That is why I sent you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach them everywhere in every church. Some are arrogant, as though I were not coming to you. But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I will find out not the talk of these arrogant people but their power. For the kingdom of God does not consist in talk but in power. What do you wish? Shall I come to you with a rod, or with love in a spirit of gentleness?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭4:14-21‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Regarding faithfulness:

“What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written, "That you may be justified in your words, and prevail when you are judged."”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:3-4‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Regarding self-control:

“For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands, for God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control. Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord, nor of me his prisoner, but share in suffering for the gospel by the power of God, who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, for which I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher,”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭1:6-11‬ ‭


Are Victor's words in disagreement with any of these Scriptures? Are the articles at The Path of Truth of Christ or of the devil? Who do we declare is the Lord, and do we suffer or not by the hands of those like you, Tami, who declare in attitude "there is no love of Christ here, there is only hate!"

Only the Lord can reveal to you whether or not He is here. You have to know for yourself. But we urge you for the sake of Life, don't judge by the appearance, but seek the Truth diligently.

[Michael Demerling]

Hi Tami,

Did you make the following comment on this YouTube video?

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Tami Viktil 2 years ago
to say all whites are evil is not the message. i am white and never understood white supremacy or understood oppression, slavery or the evil that one has in their heart that compells them to kill, torture or mutalate. i believe in the new testament, i believe in the blood that covers my sin, but i know we all have been decieved. The Jews that inhabit Isreal right now are imposters and are not the chosen of god, and Yashaya was black as all Isrealites and Eygyptians were. I can and have repented eveyday for the corruption that fills my heart, I seek righteous and walk in love. And I am saved....for it is God who will judge me.

Do you still stand by your above comment, from 2 years ago?

[Isaiah Dillard]

Amen Brandon! Well said