Fanning the Flames of Racism

[Paul Cohen]

I made this comment in another post:

Presently in the United States there is an ongoing swift collapse of respect for police authority (along with respect for any authority). If you are a person of color, you are free to scuffle with an officer and grab at his gun to shoot him. Woe, however, to the officer and police department if he shoots the one scuffling with him!

I say “woe” to society. We live in a lawless day, and people have yet to see the true import of their lawlessness. Woe to those who don’t know and don’t care.

Franchesca replied to me privately and we had the following conversation (she readily agreed to share here):

Franchesca:

I write with total disagreements with the statement made today on the above link.
Towards the end were it was written that in the USA today, "if you are a person of colour" they believe it is alright to scuffle with the police and take the police's gun, but its an offence if the police should retaliate and shoot them.

Let me ask this question, is it only people of colour who do scuffle with the police. Has this question also been asked that what of the thousands of people of colour who never scuffled with the police BUT were killed purposefully by the police.

So other races don't scuffle at anytime at all with the police.

I do believe we should be very careful in the way we write and generalise people .

There is only one race, the human race: and God made us all.

Franchesca

Paul:

Hi Franchesca,

It sounds like you aren’t familiar with what’s happening in the United States.

My statement wasn’t saying that all people of color are law-breakers or want to be such. It also wasn’t saying that there aren’t white people who disobey or disrespect the law. In fact, I said we live in “a lawless day” and “people [non-specified, general] have yet to see the true import of their lawlessness.” No distinction there.

What I was observing, if you’re not aware, is the atmosphere of permissiveness for hooliganism and disintegrating respect for law and order in black neighborhoods in the United States. No doubt this is linked to racial injustices of the past. I’m not sure what you mean by your statement of “thousands of people of colour who never scuffled with police BUT were killed purposefully by the police,” but what’s happening now and in the recent past isn’t unprovoked killing of citizens. It has been lawlessness fueled by an entitlement and victim mentality, giving excuse to criminal behavior and a breakdown of law and order.

Do you have any suggestions about what could be added to the post to alleviate your concerns of prejudice?

Paul

Franchesca:

Hi Paul

To quote you "atmosphere of pervasiveness for hooliganism and disintegrating respect for law and order in black neighbourhoods in the United States".

I am very conversant with what is happening in the United States, I do not say African Americans should perpetrate what your above quote says as its like pouring petrol into a blazing fire: but also it is not mere injustices that is being perpetrated against the African American, but gross barbarity since the first slave ship first landed the shores of the USA. Their ancestors worked to the death to build American. This has continued for centuries. No other persons on earth have suffered such barbarity, not even the Aborigines of Australia, or the Red Indians of USA and Canada

The people are a people of gross despair and lack of hope. I can go o on and on.
You asked "Do you have any suggestions about what could be added to the post to alleviate your concerns of prejudice.

The answer to your question partly are, late Bob Marley in one of his songs sang, "who feels it knows it more".

Also, in the 1950s, a white Southern journalists, John Howard Griffin decided to take medications to darkened his skin as he wanted to experience racism and prejudices first-hand. He was shocked at what he discovered, he decided to write a book: he was even threatened for writing that book. All his findings still goes on today.
The book is called "Black like me".

Franchesca

Paul:

Hi Franchesca,

It’s one thing to feel and know something from personal suffering, but it’s another to propagate a victim/entitlement mentality, which is what’s happening with the black population (generally) in the US. It’s been happening for quite some time, too, but it’s now much worse under President Obama, who has fanned the flames of racism by justifying black resentment of whites. It is wickedness.

Have you not heard the truth about Victims and Perpetrators?

While we don’t agree with everything he says or represents as part of nominal Christendom, James Manning speaks much truth as a black American who knows what he’s talking about regarding the state of affairs of blacks in America. Listen to these:

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The problem isn’t that others are racists, Chesca – the problem is that YOU are a racist. You judge after the flesh, identifying with your race rather than with the Truth, the Lord Jesus Christ. You haven’t known Him - you haven’t become a new creature, born from above.

“So as we now know no one according to flesh, but even if we have known Christ according to flesh, yet now we no longer know Him so. So that if any one is in Christ, that one is a new creature; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new” (2 Corinthians 5:16-17 MKJV).

If you were born of Christ and walked in faith, you wouldn’t be taking sides in perceived victimhood, but would rise above earthly strife through the persecution of flesh against spirit, which every son and daughter of God experiences at the hand of their own people:

“And brother will deliver up brother to death, and the father his child. And the children shall rise up against their parents and cause them to be put to death. And you will be hated of all men for My Name's sake, but the one who endures to the end shall be kept safe” (Matthew 10:21-22 MKJV).

This is liberating truth, if you can receive it. The Light Who reveals the issues of the heart is also the Physician Who heals those who turn from their sins, self-preservation and preferences.

Would it be alright with you if we share this correspondence on the forum? I think it would help others, and that some will make important contributions to the discussion. Darrell Kane, for example, who grew up poor and black, with no father and a drug addicted mother. You should hear about his experience and what the Lord has done for him.

Paul

Franchesca:

Paul

You say because I identify with my race that makes me a racist. You must certainly identify with your Jewishness, does that make you a racist.

It's your opinion and you are most certainly welcomed to it. We are 4 blood siblings, the male already departed, my 2 remaining blood sisters are married to white Americans, and the live in Africa, they both have very brotherly relationships with me.

Because I dare to comment on your usage of the word people of colour, that makes me a racist. If that makes me a racist I am definitely fine by that.

Thank God I particularly live in an era where I can voice out my opinion, that I am in 2015 and not 1915 living in America or Canada were I can dare voice out my opinion: because of what you particularly wrote by quoting people of colour.

I protested at your identifying process: what of if anyone had said white people were you wrote people of colour.

Of course you can share all the correspondences between the both of us, on this subject in your forum.

Franchesca

This brings us to the present. What say you, Darrell and others? We'd like to hear. Lord willing, I'll have more to say after we hear from you.

[Beryl Knipe]

Hi all,

I've red the comments from both Paul and Chesca. I was born, raised, schooled, lived and worked in South Africa, my entire life - along with my forebears, some of whom were probably German, or Italian or Dutch or British. However, I'm not a German South African or an Italian South African or a Dutch South African. I am a South African. Therefore, one is either African or American - one was either born in America or born in Africa. The title "African American" makes no sense?

I could tell of stories and events that would make one's skin crawl. Suffice to say, I've just finished reading a book, titled: Capitalist Nigger, written by Chika Onyeani, who lives and has lived in the US for many years. As far as I'm aware and as far as my understanding takes me, a "person of colour" could be Chinese, or Indian or olive-skinned or White. Sadly, nowadays, when a well-packed web of lies has been sold, gradually, to the masses, over generations, the Truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker will be labelled, a raving lunatic.

Let anyone speak out against democracy and they’re labelled neurotic, insane, impractical, crazy and plain stupid - even though, gang rape is democracy in action and Hitler was probably a democrat! Politically correct people are always looking for a racist angle and if there isn’t one, they’ll most surely invent one!

Chika Onyeani, along with James David Manning (and I'm sure many others) do point out well-known facts - not out of hatred.

Beryl

[Dennison Rivera]

Such a sensitive issue that shouldn't be.

The color of one's skin shouldn't matter. The efforts of many who fought for freedom from segregation here in the USA and especially in Texas finally were able to overcome it.

The problem in todays society is that now we have a racist phobia.

I remember when I was a kid that I wasn't allowed to help a friend who is black, because I am not black. that her problem is a black person problem, which shouldn't concern me.

The issue is that if I were to try to correct, help, defend, speak up, call out, or say anything to a black person they use the black card.

Always playing some kind of victim. I remember when I was kid as well, that my black friend went into a mini market, stole a bunch of stuff and when the cashier confronted him, he started screaming 'its because Im black right? you are a racist!!!" though he was guilty of the very crime he was being accused of.

I remember when my mother confronted a black person who was going crazy about an order who stated "You have a problem because Im black!" My mother responded "I dont have a problem with you being black, you have a problem with being black!"

Are their cops that are corrupted? of course! however because cops are corrupted that wouldn't suggest that a group of any people should riot, destroy, pillage, steal, and take full advantage just to present what exactly?

The men who fought to end segregation in the USA would be ashamed of the behavior that are being displayed today. All access to education, funding, jobs and freedom to between to and fro, is all being taken for granted.

It's sad that the flames of racism haven't been quenched.

[Darrell Kane]

Franchesca, here is what Paul is saying. The root cause for the problem in America is not the color of a person's skin but lawlessness. Many in the black race think that they have an entitlement to act or do as they please. Black people care a victim mentality all the time. For example, If they don't get a job they say, "they didn't hire me because I am black." Couldn't it also be that they were not the right person for the job? I have many black people that I am around that are racist. For example, I help coach basketball, one of the parents came up to me and said, "I wish we had another coach". I replied, "some of the things the head coach does are not benefiting the team". He said," yeah that too but I just don't trust white people". I was shocked! Some black people are even worst than the Klan. We have called each other the word nigger. When a white person says that word we are offended. "You can't say that word because you are white" ,we scream! Franchesca, you are looking at things carnally. Is God wrong for letting black people go through slavery or the things they suffered? Are you saying black people are innocent? Sin is death, not just physical death. I remember me and my buddies use to eat at Pizza Hut and run out without paying. One day someone else did the same thing, I was accused for defrauding the in-keeper. Two white witnesses pointed me out as the one who done the crime. I didn't even go out of the house that day. My lawyer asked them if they were sure it was me in a private conversation. They replied, "I am not sure all black people look alike". My case was thrown out. I can tell you right now! I was guilty because though not the one that committed the crime that time. I had sinned in that manner many times before, I just was not caught. I had the audacity to cry racism because of what the white witnesses said. I thank God, He let me see how evil my thoughts were. God is just we reap what we sow or do we think we can mock God!

[Simon Mwebaze]

Yes, amen, Darrell and Paul. The issue is lawlessness!

I wanted to share my experience with these things. I come from a country where I never experienced racism at all. Uganda has a very small white population which is almost insignificant. Most of the white people in Uganda are tourists or diplomats.

When I came to South Africa in 2009 for university, I was confronted with the issue of racism for the first time. I remember writing an aptitude test in 2008 at the University. It was the first time I saw so many white people. I must confess I was intimidated...maybe just because I wasn't familiar with the situation. I stayed in a University residence where I had my first racist experience. I asked a white first year to help me with something I needed urgently and he didn't help. Looking back now, I think it may have not been racist but whether it was or not doesn't matter to me. That would be his issue to deal with.

I must say I was polluted with racism when I came to South Africa (SA). I was always suspicious of white people here given the history I knew of this country. I always thought Boers (Dutch South Africans) were all bad but I have found out differently. I never had an incident that justified my stance besides that one I mentioned earlier. I had a floor coordinator at the University residence who was the typical description of a Boer: big, tall, speaks Afrikaans, drinks, etc...but he was one of the most gentle people I have met in SA. He was friendly toward me and was interested in getting to know me. I met plenty of other white South Africans who have been very friendly to me at work, at the food market I go to on Saturdays and other circumstances. One white friend of mine invited me to spend a holiday with them sometime back. I have never had this experience with a black South African.

On the black side, I have experienced good as well but there have been bad too. Many of the blacks at the University residence I stayed at had a negative attitude toward any black that associated with whites or if you were a foreigner. To them that means I am here to steal "their jobs". Besides that, from my SA experience, I have found black people to have an entitlement mindset. The country has a law, Black Economic Empowerment, that gives black people an unfair advantage over other races. If you apply for a job with a black South African, the black South African WILL get the job before any other candidate who may be more qualified for the job. It doesn't matter how well you have done at school or your experience, the black South African will get the job. There are also plenty of bursaries strictly for black South Africans.

Yet, as you recently saw, black South Africans were killing foreigners. Why? Because they are lazy! Because they prefer that things come to them! Because everything that's wrong with black South Africans is the fault of white people first then foreigners. Anyone but themselves! It makes me angry! The president lives in a mansion and publicly stole tax payers money in billions of rand (SA currency) to refurbish his private estate but no, its the white people's fault that they live in abject poverty. Malema (a politician) has estates worth millions and luxurious cars while those that support him go without food but no, its the white man's fault! The president openly sings racist songs about killing white farmers even at the funeral of Mandela but that's okay. He's black so let's let that slide! About 5 black foreigners are killed compared to hundreds of white farmers and the whole world is up in arms about xenophobia but never mind the white farmers!

The double standard of black people is appalling! Beryl asked on her FB about why foreigners come to SA instead of fixing their nations (I paraphrase)...its because we see the opportunities that the black people here ignore and take for granted because of their victim mentality. Other African countries don't afford us the same opportunities that we have in SA. I thank the Lord for showing me how racist I was and helping me come out of it.

As for slavery, we reaped what we sowed. And guess who sold blacks to the whites? Black people! So how can we point the finger? We are to blame. We are the perpetrator, Franchesca.

Why is it a big deal when a black man is killed by a white cop and not so when a white man is killed by a black cop? Do you think there aren't cases? Why is it everyone is silent when a white man suffers racism such as in SA while it makes the headlines when a black man seems to suffer racism? Why aren't you mad about the double standard? Why aren't you mad about lawlessness?

I hope you consider what's being said to you not as an attack on blacks but for the good of all. Beryl and I were corrected last year on a similar issue. The correction once again isn't about skin color but LAWLESSNESS.

[William Woeger]

There's a story I heard about Freddie Gray. That he was born to a drug addicted mother. No father. Grew up surrounded by drugs and violence. It's all he knew.

There are many people like Freddie Gray. You can read about Aileen Wuornos, a white female prostitute who became a murderer.

When you learn about such lives its almost like, from the day they were born, to the day they die, their life had no purpose but to go through destruction and hopelessness, to suddenly end in a horrible way.

"As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, the curse causeless doesn't come." Proverbs 26:2

Whatever despair, suffering, hopelessness that comes upon a person, a people or nation isn't without cause. The people either need it or deserve it and/or both. God has made things this way.

Didn't the prophets prophsy against their own people as commanded and by identifying with God?

Franchesca, you say African Americans are a people of despair and lack of hope, these spiritual states are of hell, hell is death and death is a consequence of sin. Only perpetrators sin and bear the state of death and hell.

African Americans are not the victims, yet you, Franchesca, sympathize with them as such rather than identify with the Lord and His judgment. If you cared about your "people of dispair" you would know their dispair is a consequence of their sin, it's a consequence of their failing to respect God and His ways, it's a consequence of their lawlessness. If you identified with God you would tell your people to repent.

[Terri Cabreros]

I am a local, born and raised in Hawaii. Although Hawaii is known as the "melting pot" with many different ethnicities, locals have always had a "problem" with Caucasians (we refer to them as Haoles). We grew up, and even now, look at them as "taking over" our islands. We not only hated them, we feared them. They were the ones taking the better jobs, live in the nicer homes, drive the nicer cars, etc.

In the early 80's things became so bad between the locals and the Haoles (there were attacks on the Haoles by the locals) that members of KKK came and established themselves here for a while. They were even listed in the phone book under "Klu Klux Klan!" The locals as well as our law enforcement would have none of it and shortly thereafter, they left the island. Things eventually settled down. We work, live and play along side of them, even being cordial, friendly and "accepting" but there is still that underlying animosity towards them. Next to the Asian population, they are the majority...we are the minority. We have even made jokes about changing the name of the Hawaiian Islands to the Haole Islands.

I didn't realize how racist I was until I was exposed by the Lord in a dream:
2/1/10 ~ I had a dream that I was sitting in what might have been an airport. Suddenly there was a barricade next to me with a blue child's lunchbox at the top of the barricade. I heard a woman's voice on the other side talking to someone. The barricade started to push against me and so I pushed it back a little. The woman then told me to stop it. I responded that it was being pushed against me. She pushed the barricade against me again and I pushed it back. She then said to me, "you Hawaiian _______ (don't know the word she said but I knew it was a derogatory remark). I then said "you haole ________(don't know but I knew it was something derogatory). She pushed the barricade against me again, and as I pushed back, the lunchbox fell and I saw a black haired girl sitting in the seat next to me. She was looking down doing something. Then this haole woman, heavy set with blonde hair pulled back in a bun, came and stood in from of me as I was sitting and I was looking up at her as she was yelling at me. I noticed only her forehead was red with anger. As she was yelling at me, she reached down and started pinching my shin. I kept telling her "go ahead, harder, harder." I reached out to grab her in anger and pulled back thinking, "I can't be doing these things." (The dream ended)

I wrote to Victor and Paul the next morning and shared the dream with them and my thoughts about it:
"I believe this dream has something to do with my resentment towards haoles. This is a racial issue as a majority of us feel that they are "invading" our islands and a lot of times come across as being superior to us especially when they dismiss us as not knowing anything. For me, I think my feelings toward them was fueled by Mike (my former best friend's husband and later employer) and his attitude towards "Hawaiians" (although he married a Hawaiian girl, he used to say very derogatory remarks about his in-laws and Hawaiians in general).
I have prayed about it, acknowledging my feelings towards them and asked forgiveness for this terrible sin of racism, anger and resentment towards Caucasians and asked God to remove it and help me to love them as He loves me."

Victor's response concerning my dream of conflict with haoles:
"You have known what to do because the Lord has not only come in us to you, but went before us for your sake to convict, deliver and cleanse. As you bring forth this dream, the Lord is also showing you the essence and message of it before we speak.

Yes, you have had deep-seated bitterness towards haoles, and you need to forgive them for all their wrongs toward you, both real and perceived. You need to know that in God's economy of things, all things happen with purpose, never without cause.
Proverbs 26:2 ~ As the birds by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse without cause shall not come.

All this are determined from above. If a sword, famine, pestilence or wild beast should come, it is the Lord Who sends it for judgment, according to the Scriptures.
2 Chronicles 7:13-14 ~ If I shut up the heavens, and there is no rain, of if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send a plague among My people, who are called by My Name, shall humble themselves and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear them from Heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Therefore, if you resent your perceived oppressors, you resent the One Who sent them. Recall that the Lord sent the fierce Babylonians to chasten His people Israel, who, according to the Word of the Lord by Jeremiah were to submit to the enemy. If the children of Israel did so, they would survive the correction, if not, they would perish. His Word came to pass.

The lunchbox, the little girl (which is you) looking down, and the fact that the Caucasian woman pinches your shin, tell me all this goes back to your childhood, though even beyond, because as Paul said, it will be generational.

There is a wall between you as a native and haoles. Could that be part of the reason why you had a problem with Mike? Of course! And it went from there to take you to where we found you in strife with him.

You, as well as other Hawaiians in general, have, in resistance, only succeeded to anger Caucasians. The woman is the one to come to your side of he barrier, in retaliation against your rebellion. You resent the division, and have not been able to overcome it, though Caucasians can because they have been sent with superiority of strength and don't have the same resentment (contempt, maybe, but not bitterness), for they are strong while you are weak.

But the Lord has promised you victory by repentance of your attitude, in that you now see I the dream to refuse to retaliate, knowing it is wrong. When that attitude goes, your humiliation, servitude and bitterness will go with it. You will prevail even as Joseph finally prevailed after he was tried as a slave and prisoner, and learned to submit to apparent injustice. What men, including his brothers, meant for evil, God meant for good.

You will know that the white man, in all his arrogance, injustice and cruelty was sent of God to subjugate and chasten your people and others, so that one day, God's plan of salvation might be fulfilled for all, both perpetrator and victim.

You have been chosen to be a light for your people, Terri - you a liar and cheat. How gracious is the Lord, and no respector of persons!

But be patient; first things first, step by step, get your house in order, which is exactly what you are in the process of doing, because God has shown you favor."

In 2013, I began working with the anti-GMO issue that our island was facing and lo and behold, I had to work with mostly haoles...especially the most looked down upon ones...the smelly hippies! By His grace...and only by His grace, have I come to love them and appreciate their wisdom (organics, gardening, etc) and stand against the real injustices facing our islands and people - corruption in our governments, bio-tech companies, geothermal, etc.

The Lord opened my eyes...not to them but to me! It wasn't them that needed changing. It was me! My heart condition...my attitude...my racism and I am so thankful to Him! Praise and bless the Name of the Lord!

[Beryl Knipe]

Hi all,

Thank you Simon and Terri for your truths and your openness. Ohhh I get really mad with what's going on in SA right now (and around the world) but that isn't my purpose ... to get mad. Not with colour but with downright lawlessness, murder, theft, rape, stabbings (in schools), blatant blasphemy, day in and day out and as Simon said, "acts of entitlement."

I thank God for His Grace and Wisdom. I never have despised any person who's skin is darker than mine - never! My late father grew up with Xhosa tribes and spoke fluent Xhosa. He taught all of us kids to respect (not necessarily love what people do) but to respect all peoples and to treat all people with the same courtesy, kindness and decency, we would like to be treated with.

I do hope that some of Chesca's questions have been answered in these writings.

Beryl.

[Terri Cabreros]

Amen Simon and Darryl and Paul...lawlessness abound!
I also agree what Simon and Darryl had to say about entitlement.

In 1893, the Hawaiian Kingdom was overthrown by US citizens which eventually lead to Hawaii becoming the 50th state in 1959.

Much like the Indians, Hawaii has an Office of Hawaiian Affairs(established in 1978) which oversee ceded lands, collecting rents from the airports, businesses that occupy the lands. They also oversee the distribution of Hawaiian Home lands to native Hawaiians in which you must be no less than half Hawaiian to "lease" these lands (up to 40 acres with agriculture zoning) for $1 a year. The land is returned to OHA if at any time a descendant is less than half Hawaiian.

Years ago, natives here began forming the "Hawaiian Sovereignty" movement but it really didn't begin to take shape until 1993 when then President Clinton signed into law the "Apology Resolution" in which he apologized, on behalf of the United States for its involvement in the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.

Since then, the sovereignty movement has gained momentum but of course different groups have formed because they cannot agree. The main thing though is most feel the federal government should "compensate them financially" and they should not have to acknowledge or obey the laws and regulations that govern our society. They should be free to establish their own monarchy, not pay for their water, electricity; not register their vehicles with the county, not pay insurance, etc.

Discontentment by the native Hawaiians has grown over the years, directed at OHA and the government as they continue to fight for their "rights," which is what they feel they are "entitled" to.

As Victor said (and I quoted above): "You will know that the white man, in all his arrogance, injustice and cruelty was sent of God to subjugate and chasten your people and others, so that one day, God's plan of salvation might be fulfilled for all, both perpetrator and victim.

One of the most profound and truthful statements I have ever heard:

"[We need to] be content and accepting of our circumstances.
We need to overcome where we are.
It's not about changing our circumstances BUT OF BEING CHANGED so that we won't any longer need those difficult circumstances.
When we struggle, it's not where we are but WHO WE ARE.
Victor Hafichuk 2-15-14 Sabbath Meeting

[Simon Mwebaze]

Amen, Terri! Thank you for sharing what the Lord did with you regarding racism.

[Sara V Schmidt]

Chesca replies (had trouble posting here)...

To Beryl:

Thank you Beryl, yes some of my questions have been answered.

Chesca

To William:

William Woeger your last paragraph which says my people of despair should repent for their sin: your own people should not repent for their own sins at all. Very true.

[Jeannie Van Popta]

I don't understand what you're saying to William, Chesca. Can you explain?

[Paul Cohen]

Jeannie, apparently Chesca presumes William is white.

My question to Chesca is this: Whether William is white or black, yellow or brown, why do you speak to him presumptuously and along such divisive lines?

The answer is this: Because, contrary to your slogan – “There is only one race, the human race: and God made us all” – you identify with one race in particular, your own. You are a racist.

You say that I “must certainly identify with [my] Jewishness,” which you imply would make me a racist, too, according to what I said to you. However, identifying with your physical race isn't necessarily a problem or racism, and I never said that was the issue here. Identifying with your race rather than with the truth is what makes you a racist.

Consider the apostle Paul and what he said about the Jews:

Romans 9:1-5 EMTV
(1) I am speaking the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience witnessing with me in the Holy Spirit,
(2) that I have great sorrow and unceasing pain in my heart.
(3) For I could wish that I myself to be accursed from Christ on behalf of my brothers, my countrymen according to the flesh,
(4) who are Israelites, of whom are the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the law-giving, and the worship, and the promises;
(5) of whom are the fathers and from whom Christ came, according to the flesh, He Who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Paul also spoke the truth to the Jews, calling on them to repent, like William said you should be doing with your people:

Acts 26:19-23 ESV
(19) "Therefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision,
(20) but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance.
(21) For this reason the Jews seized me in the temple and tried to kill me.
(22) To this day I have had the help that comes from God, and so I stand here testifying both to small and great, saying nothing but what the prophets and Moses said would come to pass:
(23) that the Christ must suffer and that, by being the first to rise from the dead, He would proclaim light both to our people and to the Gentiles."

You don’t hear what we and the Scriptures are saying, Chesca, and dispute with the truth because you prefer yourself and your flesh to the Lord Jesus Christ.

[Marquita Smith]

Greetings all!
I'm no teacher, but I'd like to share what's in my heart to this post. Please forgive me if my thoughts are choppy, I'm working on it I must say, I'm in agreement to Paul and others, that it isn't necessarily a matter of race, or color, but of the lawlessness of man today. The façades are being shown for what they truly are, especially in this nation. The fact of the matter is, our Nation has rejected Christ. As a whole. So regardless of what nationality a person is, evil and lawlessness is going to manifest itself through whomever is subject to it. Christ said whosoever sins is a servant of sin, and sin is no respecter of persons. We want to believe some fantasy of who we want to believe we are rather than accepting the truth, which is in Jesus, Whom the majority of the people who are looking for validation in this whole "racial injustice" movement, reject.

For example: my brother in laws cousin was shot last month. A 20 year old girl. Everyone spoke of her being an angel and in respects to the man who shot her, he was seen as every evil in the book. But consider this, the young lady was shot in the wee hours in the morning, at a party where they were drinking, rioting, and many other things. And she, prior to the event, was known for being disrespectful, promiscuous, loud, aggressive, and many other things (that really only typify this generation). So was she an angel because she was shot, and he a devil for shooting?? Absolutely not. They were BOTH lawless.. It's like the children of Israel in the wilderness. When they were bitten by serpents, it really didn't matter if one complained this way, or if another murmured that way.. They were judged for their unrighteousness,.. And their only hope was to look to God's only provided way of salvation... The same today..

I (though it makes absolutely no difference) am a woman of color. My ancestors were slaves and natives. I still live less than 30 miles from the first american settlement where there are still plantations and many "racially" focused areas. That does not determine a shred of who I am, nor does it justify me making certain actions, especially against the ordinances set forth by this land.

It's written:

2 So that the one resisting the authority resists the ordinance of God; and the ones who resist will receive judgment to themselves.

3 For the rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the bad. And do you desire to be not afraid of the authority? Do the good, and you shall have praise from it.

4 For it is a servant of God to you for good. For if you practice evil, be afraid, for it does not bear the sword in vain; for it is a servant of God, a revenger for wrath on him who does evil.

5 Therefore [you] must be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience' sake.

6 For because of this you also pay taxes. For they are God's servants, always giving attention to this very thing.

7 Therefore give to all [their] dues; to the [one due] tax, the tax; tribute to whom tribute [is due], fear to whom fear [is due], and honor to whom honor [is due]. (Romans 13:1-7 mkjv1962).

Sooo.. Just obey the law of the land. It is simple.

Paul wrote this to believers in the nations.

Was not Paul sent to teach the gentiles and bring them under obedience?

16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. note

17 I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God.

18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed, ( Romans 15:16-18mkjv1962).

So regardless of past injustices, what right does that give anyone to rob liquor stores and other businesses??

And and what about all the business owners that cant feed their families now? Is there not injustice done to them? Is that loving you neighbor as yourself? No. Sooo is that fulfilling the law? No. So it goes back to lawlessness.

I believe the carnal man sees race.. But the spiritual man recognizes unrighteousness..

And without a true understanding, these matters are never ending.. Race (or any other carnal division) has been an issue for centuries, only to blindside people to the truth of: it Is a matter of righteousness.

The people could only see Jew gentile and Samaritan.. But they were blind to righteousness..

As it is today.

That which has been is now. That which is to be has already been.

May the Lord Jesus bless y'all

[Simon Mwebaze]

"I believe the carnal man sees race.. But the spiritual man recognizes unrighteousness."

Amen! And grateful for what you shared, Marquita.

Question for Franchesca: do you see any righteousness with white people? Have they done no good for you or blacks in general? Have blacks done more good for themselves than white people have for us?

[William Woeger]

Amen to Paul and Marquita! Amen!

I agree with you both and am thankful, Marquita, that the Lord has given you grace to see within your heart and to speak.

Faith is a gift from God; the eyes of the heart to see and agree with Him and His ways. May Jesus give grace, when He will. Thank You, Lord! Merciful!

[Sara V Schmidt]

A couple replies from Chesca...

To Paul:

Paul

Identifying with my race rather than with the truth is what makes me a racist.

Also, by your standard it is ok for William to say to me "your people should go and repent", its not ok for me to reply him according to what he has written. How does that sound like. But you accuse me of speaking presumptuously. I begin to wonder.

And since you most emphatically again branded me a racist: I have this to say. ONLY A RACIST KNOWS A RACIST.

Chesca

To Simon:

Simon. The questions you asked me about white people you answer them yourself as you are the expert on that.

Secondly, let it be noted that I'm no one's scapegoat or an image of a caricature.
Chesca

[Lynda Christopher Webb]

I love that we can go back and forth to one another on 'issues'~important or less-important, bringing them to light, here in this format.
Blessings to all writing here!
lynda sue

[Lynda Christopher Webb]

Thanks for all who spoke up on this particular subject matter. Quite an eye-opener.

lynda sue

[Victor Hafichuk]

On this issue of racism, I have very much appreciated the wisdom, understanding and sound counsel coming from you - Simon, William, Beryl, Darrell, Terri, Marquita, Dennison and Paul. I’m so thankful to witness the work of the Lord in your lives, granting you to see, hear, reason, and walk that narrow road of the knowledge of unvarnished truth. As well, it’s precious to see the zeal you all have to share it with everyone publicly that they might understand and be made free.

I’m sure you all appreciate a key statement by Marquita: "I believe the carnal man sees race.. But the spiritual man recognizes unrighteousness."

Amen! This is not about our outer, but our inner, colors. This is not about man’s race, but of the Lord’s grace. This is not about being victims, which we’ve all been, dreadfully so, because of the horrible sin nature of every man. This is about our being perpetrators, everyone of us, guilty as sin, of every sin. The Lord comes in glory to deliver perpetrators, we being primarily our own victims by choosing to love ourselves more than others, by choosing darkness and lies, bitterness, resentment and hatred toward our enemies, both real and perceived. We are victims because of our attitudes and what and how we think and look at ourselves, others and the world.

Ultimately, how we perceive and react toward all is how we truly act and think toward our Creator and Savior, Jesus Christ. All men are made in His image; all have sinned; He has judged all guilty before Him, and He will have mercy on all, so who are we to be bitter for race sake? Who are we to be prejudiced and partisan? No room for that if we have any hope of entering His Kingdom, not a whit.

Beware of self-pity, of unforgiveness, of identifying with anyone primarily but the Lord Jesus Christ. As true as the facts may appear, beware of entertaining evil memories and being defiled by bitterness. Has any man or nation suffered wrongfully in the complete scheme of things? If so, God has failed and we need to find another God.

“As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come.” (Proverbs 26:2 KJV)

Beware of believing there is no justice determined from above. God IS just; He holds the scales of justice every step of the way. He is Judge of all the earth; He orchestrates all things. By and for Him and His glory were all things made.

Do we believe He is Lord of all or not? Do we believe Jesus Christ when He said nearly 2000 years ago, “All power in Heaven and in earth has been given Me”?

Do we know that we only reap what we sow? Do we know that whatever comes into our lives is by His authority? Do we realize that we need whatever comes our way, whether good or evil? We need to accept responsibility.

To judge anyone as ultimately unjustly treated or victimized without Divine cause is to deny that the Lord God and His Kingdom reign supreme. It is to deny His Lordship, no matter how religious we are or how fervently we may call Him, “Lord.” Truly, it is to be so foolish as to say in our heart, “There is no God.”

Chesca, you aren’t fighting for the black man; you are fighting against him because you do not believe. You are bitter toward your Lord and Savior. In this, you betray all races. You need to confess your sin to the Lord and have your thinking changed, big time.

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[Eric Courtemanche]

Hi Chesca,

I used to be an Anti-Semitic, idolatrous, and bigotrous fool. I avoided Jews and Blacks. Why? Because I was fearful of them. I was completely blind to my hatred of others, with an outward appearance of being nice. I was bitter, arrogant, and playing the victim the whole way. True traits of the man of sin within.

I would cross the street to avoid walking near a black person, thinking the whole time they were going to do something to me. What did any of those people ever do to me to receive such treatment? Nothing, that's how lost I was.

I'm so thankful to the Lord for showing me what I am and correcting me. He showed me I'm the perpetrator. He'll do the same for you, but will you choose to delay that outcome? If you choose to stick to your lies about yourself, and continue to play the victim, then what will happen? He doesn't come for the well, but for the sick.

Eric C.

[William Woeger]

Amen, \/.

I very much appreciate the truth and wisdom you have given here. How rich it is! You lay out the laws of life to be respected. Simply and understandably.

Thank You, Lord! You have given the world revelation and Yourself.

[Sara V Schmidt]

Chesca replies...

To Eric C.:

Hi Eric

Thank you for your email on the forum page. Thanks for explaining.

Henceforth, I am ready to change my thinking drastically and to also confess my sin to my Lord and Saviour as Victor advised.

Thanks
Chesca

[Victor Hafichuk]

I received this letter from Chesca yesterday:

Hi Victor

Regarding your reply to the above topic; and your statement to me in the very last paragraph.

I am ready to confess my sin to my Lord and Saviour Victor: I am also very ready to change my thinking big time like you advised.

I sincerely thank you for your advice.

Please my reply to you could be shared for all to see.

Chesca

Two things: This kind of turnaround is rare; it is the grace of God at work with Chesca who turns from hating him who is white to loving Him Who Is the Light. Yes, you were in bitterness toward whites, and by extension, to God Himself, with Whom there is no respecter of persons.

I'm very thankful for this. I know you're sincere, Chesca. God has granted you repentance.

May the grace of God lead you all the way to His City, Mount Zion, the Capital of the Kingdom of God.

[Simon Mwebaze]

Amen, V. Good to hear about what the Lord is doing for Chesca. A miracle indeed!