Be careful on the loose judgement of George Warnock
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: George Warnock
From: Joe
To: The Path of Truth The Path of Truth
Date: 2/20/2015 9:29 AM
Hi I was reading your article on George Warnock.
I have known George for over thirty years, much longer than your little meeting with him.
I usually don't respond to this kind of self absorbed, more holy than thou kind of junk, but I felt to say a bit, not that you guys would even consider some other opinion, looks like you guys have it all figured out already.
Anyways be careful on the loose judgement you throw around, this is not the God that I know, he is so much other than what you guys seem to think.
Hey you guys, its okay to be normal believers, we all aren't all that special, I once thought the same way many years ago, but thanks to Brother Warnock he made me realize that the true nature of the Lamb is humility.
Cheers
Joe B
From: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:54 AM
To: Joe
Cc: Paul Cohen
Subject: Re: George Warnock
Joe, I have some things to ask of you:
Have you known George Warnock after the flesh or after the spirit?
Have you judged righteous judgment or have you judged after the appearance?
Do you think that because one's judgment is a positive one that therefore he judges righteously or as a Christian ought to judge?
Is it any less wrong to judge an erring man to be innocent as it is to judge a righteous man as false?
Have you received revelation and testimony from God concerning George?
You say, “Anyways be careful on the loose judgement you throw around, this is not the God that I know, he is so much other than what you guys seem to think.”
Are you being careful about your judgment? Are you speaking as of the mouth and wisdom of the Lord Jesus Christ? Might it be that we are the ones who know that He is so much other than what you seem to think?
We've had no desire to condemn or to fault anyone. Doing such is a very unpleasant and thankless task. Do you really think we delight in these things?
Victor Hafichuk
ThePathofTruth.com
From: Joe
Sent: February-23-15 10:14 AM
To: Victor Hafichuk
Subject: RE: George Warnock
Hi Victor,
Even though I do not agree with everything that George has taught over the years, I do wonder why in the world do you think that you have the liberty to throw this condemnation at him?
What gives you the liberty to think that what you say is of the Lord, and from the Lord?
Also some of the others that you guys say are false, I have a real hard time with.
I was in a conference with Warnock and Art Katz, in which there was a real falling out between them regarding the issue of Israel and the Church. Even though I felt George was wrong on his stand regarding Israel, Katz whom I regard as an real prophetic man, not an want to be, did not in anyway do or say the things which comes from you guys.
How do you know the things you say are imagination or truth?
Its a good thing for one to be open, that just maybe,,, its not the Lord speaking these things?
Cheers
Joe
From: Paul Cohen
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:12 AM
To: Joe
Cc: Victor Hafichuk
Subject: RE[3]: George Warnock
Joe, Paul Cohen here.
The things said to and about George Warnock weren't motivated by doctrinal disagreement. You're on the wrong track altogether. And Victor didn't condemn George. But you condemn George by denying him the truth, the only thing that can set him or you free.
We can ask you the exact same questions you pose in your letter:
What gives you the liberty to think that what you say is of the Lord, and from the Lord?
Oh, you don't claim that? Then why should we believe your judgment? How do you know whether the things you say are imagination or truth? Wouldn't it be a good thing that you were open, that just maybe the Lord has spoken these things by Victor, since you don't know for yourself?
And finally, why won't you answer any of Victor's questions?
Paul
From: Joe
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 10:13 AM
To: Paul Cohen
Subject: RE: RE[3]: George Warnock
Looking at your web page it seems that everyone is in the wrong but you guys.
Some of the people you guys say are false, I believe are the giants of the faith.
I guess we can leave it at this.
If you guys truly believe all the things in Which you speak, that's great.
I have been in the faith close to forty years, seen a lot of things, been privileged to sit under some profound men of the faith, which I include George as one of the most anointed speakers I have ever heard.
You guys think you are prophetic men, well I feel that I also have been given this calling, and the stuff you guys wright just doesn't witness to my inner man, so it is what it is.
I also have many prophetic writings, but I dare not send any to you, it probably would put me on your hit list as a false prophet.
You guys should probably learn to mind your own business, don't get to caught up with things that really concern you.
God anoints those whom he appoints, relax God is in control, God is God we are we.
We are all fallen creatures, which are all very susceptible to error.
Cheers
Joe
From: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:09 AM
To: Joe
Cc: Paul Cohen
Subject: RE[5]: George Warnock
Joe, you aren't one to reason together and answer some simple, honest, straightforward, reasonable and fair questions, which, if answered honestly, would put this conflict to rest.
Why do you reject fair dialogue? Why won't you answer questions that we might have legitimate reason under God to at least consider, if not believe you.
Are we indeed fallen creatures, as you say? Yes, you still are, dead in sin, fallen, but we are no longer. We have heard His Voice and have been raised from the dead unto eternal life. He has granted us to sit in the heavenlies and to reign with Him:
Ephesians 2:4-7 MKJV
(4) But God, Who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us
(5) (even when we were dead in sins) has made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved),
(6) and has raised us up together and made us sit together in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus,
(7) so that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Here's where we are now:
Hebrews 12:22-24 MKJV
(22) But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(23) to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are written in Heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(24) and to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Can the fallen such as you possibly be where we are? You manifest the brutish nature of those Peter and Jude have spoken of, and you think you're anointed, with spiritual discernment? We see that if such as your kind are impressed by George Warnock, it only confirms what we've said of him and now of you, his kin, if not his fruits.
Will you answer my questions, Joe, and quit posturing, evading us and lying to us? But it really isn't possible for you to do that, is it? You are fallen, as your own mouth confesses...and exposed as a fallen one, even as Jude described:
“But what things they do not know, they speak evil of. And what things they understand naturally, like the animals without reason, they are corrupted by these” (Jude 1:10 MKJV).
Should we be minding our own business? That's exactly what we're doing:
“And Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied to these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with myriads of His saints, to do judgment against all, and to rebuke all the ungodly of them concerning all their ungodly works which they ungodly did, and concerning all the hard things ungodly sinners spoke against Him” (Jude 1:14-15 MKJV).
Victor and Paul
From: Joe
Sent: March-04-15 9:19 AM
To: Victor Hafichuk
Subject: RE: RE[5]: George Warnock
This response that you have given is what I expected from you guys, It just proves to me what you guys really are all about.
Looks like I've touched a nerve?
Just maybe my words have exposed a bit of unreality, which is present in your natures?
Funny it didn't take very long for this venomous response to be released.
Very easy to quote scripture, but its a bit harder to live it.
What I feel to say to you guys is, pride comes before the fall, and spiritual pride is the worst pride?
Cheers
Joe B
From: Victor Hafichuk
To: Joe
CC: Paul Cohen
Subject: RE: RE[5]: George Warnock
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 10:03:31 -0700
Touched a nerve? Hardly, but you do make the Lord very angry and we do share His anger with you.
All things will come to light, Joe, as surely as the sun rises. You'll see you've been a son of darkness and not of light. But there's no talking to arrogant men who refuse to reason or answer simple questions. You are one stubborn fellow, a very wicked and stupid man. Go and destroy yourself with your gods.
Victor Hafichuk
ThePathofTruth.com
From: Joe
Sent: March-04-15 10:10 AM
To: Victor Hafichuk
Subject: RE: RE[5]: George Warnock
May the Lord bless you guys.
Cheer
Joe
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: George Warnock
From: Joe
To: The Path of Truth The Path of Truth
Date: 2/20/2015 9:29 AM
Hi I was reading your article on George Warnock.
I have known George for over thirty years, much longer than your little meeting with him.
I usually don't respond to this kind of self absorbed, more holy than thou kind of junk, but I felt to say a bit, not that you guys would even consider some other opinion, looks like you guys have it all figured out already.
Anyways be careful on the loose judgement you throw around, this is not the God that I know, he is so much other than what you guys seem to think.
Hey you guys, its okay to be normal believers, we all aren't all that special, I once thought the same way many years ago, but thanks to Brother Warnock he made me realize that the true nature of the Lamb is humility.
Cheers
Joe B
From: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:54 AM
To: Joe
Cc: Paul Cohen
Subject: Re: George Warnock
Joe, I have some things to ask of you:
Have you known George Warnock after the flesh or after the spirit?
Have you judged righteous judgment or have you judged after the appearance?
Do you think that because one's judgment is a positive one that therefore he judges righteously or as a Christian ought to judge?
Is it any less wrong to judge an erring man to be innocent as it is to judge a righteous man as false?
Have you received revelation and testimony from God concerning George?
You say, “Anyways be careful on the loose judgement you throw around, this is not the God that I know, he is so much other than what you guys seem to think.”
Are you being careful about your judgment? Are you speaking as of the mouth and wisdom of the Lord Jesus Christ? Might it be that we are the ones who know that He is so much other than what you seem to think?
We've had no desire to condemn or to fault anyone. Doing such is a very unpleasant and thankless task. Do you really think we delight in these things?
Victor Hafichuk
ThePathofTruth.com
From: Joe
Sent: February-23-15 10:14 AM
To: Victor Hafichuk
Subject: RE: George Warnock
Hi Victor,
Even though I do not agree with everything that George has taught over the years, I do wonder why in the world do you think that you have the liberty to throw this condemnation at him?
What gives you the liberty to think that what you say is of the Lord, and from the Lord?
Also some of the others that you guys say are false, I have a real hard time with.
I was in a conference with Warnock and Art Katz, in which there was a real falling out between them regarding the issue of Israel and the Church. Even though I felt George was wrong on his stand regarding Israel, Katz whom I regard as an real prophetic man, not an want to be, did not in anyway do or say the things which comes from you guys.
How do you know the things you say are imagination or truth?
Its a good thing for one to be open, that just maybe,,, its not the Lord speaking these things?
Cheers
Joe
From: Paul Cohen
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:12 AM
To: Joe
Cc: Victor Hafichuk
Subject: RE[3]: George Warnock
Joe, Paul Cohen here.
The things said to and about George Warnock weren't motivated by doctrinal disagreement. You're on the wrong track altogether. And Victor didn't condemn George. But you condemn George by denying him the truth, the only thing that can set him or you free.
We can ask you the exact same questions you pose in your letter:
What gives you the liberty to think that what you say is of the Lord, and from the Lord?
Oh, you don't claim that? Then why should we believe your judgment? How do you know whether the things you say are imagination or truth? Wouldn't it be a good thing that you were open, that just maybe the Lord has spoken these things by Victor, since you don't know for yourself?
And finally, why won't you answer any of Victor's questions?
Paul
From: Joe
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 10:13 AM
To: Paul Cohen
Subject: RE: RE[3]: George Warnock
Looking at your web page it seems that everyone is in the wrong but you guys.
Some of the people you guys say are false, I believe are the giants of the faith.
I guess we can leave it at this.
If you guys truly believe all the things in Which you speak, that's great.
I have been in the faith close to forty years, seen a lot of things, been privileged to sit under some profound men of the faith, which I include George as one of the most anointed speakers I have ever heard.
You guys think you are prophetic men, well I feel that I also have been given this calling, and the stuff you guys wright just doesn't witness to my inner man, so it is what it is.
I also have many prophetic writings, but I dare not send any to you, it probably would put me on your hit list as a false prophet.
You guys should probably learn to mind your own business, don't get to caught up with things that really concern you.
God anoints those whom he appoints, relax God is in control, God is God we are we.
We are all fallen creatures, which are all very susceptible to error.
Cheers
Joe
From: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:09 AM
To: Joe
Cc: Paul Cohen
Subject: RE[5]: George Warnock
Joe, you aren't one to reason together and answer some simple, honest, straightforward, reasonable and fair questions, which, if answered honestly, would put this conflict to rest.
Why do you reject fair dialogue? Why won't you answer questions that we might have legitimate reason under God to at least consider, if not believe you.
Are we indeed fallen creatures, as you say? Yes, you still are, dead in sin, fallen, but we are no longer. We have heard His Voice and have been raised from the dead unto eternal life. He has granted us to sit in the heavenlies and to reign with Him:
Ephesians 2:4-7 MKJV
(4) But God, Who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us
(5) (even when we were dead in sins) has made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved),
(6) and has raised us up together and made us sit together in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus,
(7) so that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Here's where we are now:
Hebrews 12:22-24 MKJV
(22) But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(23) to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are written in Heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(24) and to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Can the fallen such as you possibly be where we are? You manifest the brutish nature of those Peter and Jude have spoken of, and you think you're anointed, with spiritual discernment? We see that if such as your kind are impressed by George Warnock, it only confirms what we've said of him and now of you, his kin, if not his fruits.
Will you answer my questions, Joe, and quit posturing, evading us and lying to us? But it really isn't possible for you to do that, is it? You are fallen, as your own mouth confesses...and exposed as a fallen one, even as Jude described:
“But what things they do not know, they speak evil of. And what things they understand naturally, like the animals without reason, they are corrupted by these” (Jude 1:10 MKJV).
Should we be minding our own business? That's exactly what we're doing:
“And Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied to these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with myriads of His saints, to do judgment against all, and to rebuke all the ungodly of them concerning all their ungodly works which they ungodly did, and concerning all the hard things ungodly sinners spoke against Him” (Jude 1:14-15 MKJV).
Victor and Paul
From: Joe
Sent: March-04-15 9:19 AM
To: Victor Hafichuk
Subject: RE: RE[5]: George Warnock
This response that you have given is what I expected from you guys, It just proves to me what you guys really are all about.
Looks like I've touched a nerve?
Just maybe my words have exposed a bit of unreality, which is present in your natures?
Funny it didn't take very long for this venomous response to be released.
Very easy to quote scripture, but its a bit harder to live it.
What I feel to say to you guys is, pride comes before the fall, and spiritual pride is the worst pride?
Cheers
Joe B
From: Victor Hafichuk
To: Joe
CC: Paul Cohen
Subject: RE: RE[5]: George Warnock
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 10:03:31 -0700
Touched a nerve? Hardly, but you do make the Lord very angry and we do share His anger with you.
All things will come to light, Joe, as surely as the sun rises. You'll see you've been a son of darkness and not of light. But there's no talking to arrogant men who refuse to reason or answer simple questions. You are one stubborn fellow, a very wicked and stupid man. Go and destroy yourself with your gods.
Victor Hafichuk
ThePathofTruth.com
From: Joe
Sent: March-04-15 10:10 AM
To: Victor Hafichuk
Subject: RE: RE[5]: George Warnock
May the Lord bless you guys.
Cheer
Joe