Andrew Murray
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Michael
Andrew Murray
Are you serious? The fact that you took so much effort to bash Andrew Murray screams pride and spiritual arrogance on your part the same things you accuse him of. I've took the time to read a lot of Murray and the man if he does anything is point you to Jesus Christ... I think you should rethink Andrew Murray and for that matter do you believe the Lord really prompted you to bash one his children? Look if you are going to bash a Christian author start with the ones on TBN... lol for a certainty Andrew Murray is not the enemy
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Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk
Re: Andrew Murray
Are we serious? Yes, very.
You have it backwards, Michael. Murray is the one bashing everyone over the head with his damnable self-righteousness. Thank God we know better, and can inform those who have been burdened with the unbearable weight of trying to attain godliness through corrupt human piety.
The Spirit of God will reveal to those given that Andrew Murray is not pointing to the Christ but to the one pointing to the Christ, and he sees nobody but nobody as capable of pointing to Christ like he does. It is a subtle mockery; it is deception, perhaps at its finest.
“Watch my index finger, everybody! See how I can point at the sky!” says the proud child who really isn't interested in the sky or interesting others in it.
Michael, we could be deceived and perhaps even be the finest of deceivers ourselves, but are you sure you're right? You say you're certain. Are you as capable and qualified as you think for these things? Consider prayerfully these words of the Lord Jesus:
”For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect” (Matthew 24:24 KJV).
Are you the “very elect”?
For those who are pleased with man's righteousness promoted by Murray, they'll need to continue suffering what they must to bring them to the place of true humility and teachableness.
So there's hope for all, even Murray, but only through the One we preach, the Real Lord Jesus Christ. That's not arrogance speaking, Michael; it's the Truth. Arrogance is generating godhood through carnal imitation of Christ. It appears to be pointing to Him when pointing to self.
Paul and Victor
You have it backwards, Michael. Murray is the one bashing everyone over the head with his damnable self-righteousness. Thank God we know better, and can inform those who have been burdened with the unbearable weight of trying to attain godliness through corrupt human piety.
The Spirit of God will reveal to those given that Andrew Murray is not pointing to the Christ but to the one pointing to the Christ, and he sees nobody but nobody as capable of pointing to Christ like he does. It is a subtle mockery; it is deception, perhaps at its finest.
“Watch my index finger, everybody! See how I can point at the sky!” says the proud child who really isn't interested in the sky or interesting others in it.
Michael, we could be deceived and perhaps even be the finest of deceivers ourselves, but are you sure you're right? You say you're certain. Are you as capable and qualified as you think for these things? Consider prayerfully these words of the Lord Jesus:
”For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect” (Matthew 24:24 KJV).
Are you the “very elect”?
For those who are pleased with man's righteousness promoted by Murray, they'll need to continue suffering what they must to bring them to the place of true humility and teachableness.
So there's hope for all, even Murray, but only through the One we preach, the Real Lord Jesus Christ. That's not arrogance speaking, Michael; it's the Truth. Arrogance is generating godhood through carnal imitation of Christ. It appears to be pointing to Him when pointing to self.
Paul and Victor
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Michael
Re: Andrew Murray
Murray teaches grace through faith alone. If a man teaches obedience to God not as a way to salvation but as a product of faith he gets labeled a leagalist...
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Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk
Re: Andrew Murray
The Lord Jesus Christ says not to believe everything men say, but to believe everything He says. You believe men because your faith is in yourself, not God, Michael.
Murray may have taught grace through faith, but he only had a form of godliness borne of self-righteousness. This we know because the Lord has delivered us from our self-righteousness and works. When He exposes you to yourself and consumes you in judgment, then you will know what we're talking about.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 EMTV
(3) Let no one deceive you by any means; for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is unveiled, the son of perdition,
(4) who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or every object of worship, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(5) Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?
(6) And now you know that which is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.
(7) For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will continue until one comes out of the midst.
(8) And then the lawless one will be unveiled, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth, and will destroy by the brightness of His coming,
(9) whose coming is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
(10) and in all deception of unrighteousness among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
(11) And because of this, God will send them strong delusion, in order for them to believe the lie,
(12) so that they all might be damned who did not believe the truth, but delighted in unrighteousness.
And you don't answer our questions. Do you judge them all as rhetorical or do you simply disrespect us and the Lord - our right to ask and your responsibility to answer?
Paul and Victor
Murray may have taught grace through faith, but he only had a form of godliness borne of self-righteousness. This we know because the Lord has delivered us from our self-righteousness and works. When He exposes you to yourself and consumes you in judgment, then you will know what we're talking about.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 EMTV
(3) Let no one deceive you by any means; for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is unveiled, the son of perdition,
(4) who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or every object of worship, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(5) Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?
(6) And now you know that which is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.
(7) For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will continue until one comes out of the midst.
(8) And then the lawless one will be unveiled, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth, and will destroy by the brightness of His coming,
(9) whose coming is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
(10) and in all deception of unrighteousness among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
(11) And because of this, God will send them strong delusion, in order for them to believe the lie,
(12) so that they all might be damned who did not believe the truth, but delighted in unrighteousness.
And you don't answer our questions. Do you judge them all as rhetorical or do you simply disrespect us and the Lord - our right to ask and your responsibility to answer?
Paul and Victor