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Which bible is this?
What Bible is the MKJV and what about Creflo Dollar?
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Brij
Re: What Bible is the MKJV and what about Creflo Dollar?
U haven't got Creflo Dollar who has his own version of Bible on the bad guys list!
King James made errors in translating to english putting words in italics and not telling people : why, thus giving rise to false doctrines and denominations.
I will go for NIV 2011 anyway as a proper foundation is a must.
King James made errors in translating to english putting words in italics and not telling people : why, thus giving rise to false doctrines and denominations.
I will go for NIV 2011 anyway as a proper foundation is a must.
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Paul Cohen
Re: What Bible is the MKJV and what about Creflo Dollar?
Brij, Paul here.
I went to Creflo Dollar's website and see he offers Bible studies using many different versions, some even in different languages, but none claiming to be his own version. I also note that his prominent offering is the NIV, your choice of translation.
Apparently both of you aren't aware of how perverse the NIV is as a translation. You complain about the KJV being tainted, and in some places it is, but the NIV is far worse in being influenced by carnal men's thoughts and agendas. So where does that put you? Rather than pointing the finger at Dollar, a false teacher, you should consider where your false confidence is coming from and is taking you.
Paul Cohen
www.ThePathofTruth.com
I went to Creflo Dollar's website and see he offers Bible studies using many different versions, some even in different languages, but none claiming to be his own version. I also note that his prominent offering is the NIV, your choice of translation.
Apparently both of you aren't aware of how perverse the NIV is as a translation. You complain about the KJV being tainted, and in some places it is, but the NIV is far worse in being influenced by carnal men's thoughts and agendas. So where does that put you? Rather than pointing the finger at Dollar, a false teacher, you should consider where your false confidence is coming from and is taking you.
Paul Cohen
www.ThePathofTruth.com
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Brij
Re: What Bible is the MKJV and what about Creflo Dollar?
Thanks Paul.
In any exam if you score 50% you pass. All these guys are preaching according to their understanding. Some of them will pass as I think. Remember Saten is preaching indirectly too.
I won't cast the first stone anyway, let God do his job at the right time.
For a sinner who is lost a smallest hint of Gods mercy is important to be saved.
He may be in a remote place where one these false preacher did some job.
My best illustration would be the indian storey of 5 blind man and the elephant.
God bless u child of God!!!!
In any exam if you score 50% you pass. All these guys are preaching according to their understanding. Some of them will pass as I think. Remember Saten is preaching indirectly too.
I won't cast the first stone anyway, let God do his job at the right time.
For a sinner who is lost a smallest hint of Gods mercy is important to be saved.
He may be in a remote place where one these false preacher did some job.
My best illustration would be the indian storey of 5 blind man and the elephant.
God bless u child of God!!!!
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Paul Cohen
Re: What Bible is the MKJV and what about Creflo Dollar?
You're right, Brij - the false teachers on our list “are preaching according to their understanding.” Christ's ministers, on the other hand, preach according to God's understanding.
“But I make known to you, brothers, the Gospel preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but through the revelation of Jesus Christ” (Galatians 1:11-12 EMTV).
“No prophecy ever originated from humans. Instead, it was given by the Holy Spirit as humans spoke under God's direction” (2 Peter 1:21 GW).
Does God get things wrong half the time? Does He pass anyone with 50%?
“Therefore be perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect” (Matthew 5:48 MKJV).
What man has the right to teach error in God's Name? And what becomes of those who do? “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted shall be rooted up. Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch” (Matthew 15:13-14 MKJV).
Didn't the scribes and Pharisees teach some truth? Were they therefore true or false?
“Then Jesus spoke to the crowd and to His disciples, saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do. But do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do” (Matthew 23:1-3 MKJV).
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outside, but inside they are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so you also appear righteous to men outwardly, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity” (Matthew 23:27-28 MKJV).
Brij, Victor was just such a sinner as you describe, whom God drew to Christ in order to show Victor mercy using a man to preach from the Scriptures that we would list as a false teacher. In wHaT tHe LoRd HaS dOnE wItH mE, Victor writes:
Particle - All Is God's to Do with as He Pleases
I stand amazed at the ways of the Lord. He uses unrighteous men to bring us truth. Whereas He used the Roberts to confirm things to us, they were spiritually, as well as doctrinally, in error on many things, unable to discern between good and evil on some matters.
I recall their presenting us with a sermon audiotape by a man who was screaming as he preached, not sporadically or rarely, but consistently. I knew immediately that something was terribly wrong, likely demonic, but the Roberts were entertained by him.
We heard later that the preacher died a premature death. It wasn't a surprise that the Lord had to take him out. I don't recall his name, but I expect some United Pentecostals from that day might know of whom I speak.
The Roberts also had an emphasis on form, in dress and ceremony. They were part of the system, as were George Lynn - who led me to Christ; Dave Loewen - who was used of God to lead us to receive the Spirit; and R. A. Torrey - who wrote the booklet Dave left with us, “The Baptism in the Holy Spirit,” through the use of which we received the Spirit. Torrey was associated with D. L. Moody, another man who was part of the system. There were many such occasions and examples in our lives.
In spite of themselves, the Lord uses all, and all have their purpose. Indeed, man's unrighteousness commends God's righteousness, in more ways than one. He works His purposes with all, and we have all been among the unrighteous. [END]
When God calls and chooses a person, who or what will stop Him? All things are at His beck and call to use as He pleases.
Thank you for your blessing, Brij. Will you receive us in Christ and partake of His blessing on our lives?
Paul
“But I make known to you, brothers, the Gospel preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but through the revelation of Jesus Christ” (Galatians 1:11-12 EMTV).
“No prophecy ever originated from humans. Instead, it was given by the Holy Spirit as humans spoke under God's direction” (2 Peter 1:21 GW).
Does God get things wrong half the time? Does He pass anyone with 50%?
“Therefore be perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect” (Matthew 5:48 MKJV).
What man has the right to teach error in God's Name? And what becomes of those who do? “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted shall be rooted up. Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch” (Matthew 15:13-14 MKJV).
Didn't the scribes and Pharisees teach some truth? Were they therefore true or false?
“Then Jesus spoke to the crowd and to His disciples, saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do. But do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do” (Matthew 23:1-3 MKJV).
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outside, but inside they are full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so you also appear righteous to men outwardly, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity” (Matthew 23:27-28 MKJV).
Brij, Victor was just such a sinner as you describe, whom God drew to Christ in order to show Victor mercy using a man to preach from the Scriptures that we would list as a false teacher. In wHaT tHe LoRd HaS dOnE wItH mE, Victor writes:
Particle - All Is God's to Do with as He Pleases
I stand amazed at the ways of the Lord. He uses unrighteous men to bring us truth. Whereas He used the Roberts to confirm things to us, they were spiritually, as well as doctrinally, in error on many things, unable to discern between good and evil on some matters.
I recall their presenting us with a sermon audiotape by a man who was screaming as he preached, not sporadically or rarely, but consistently. I knew immediately that something was terribly wrong, likely demonic, but the Roberts were entertained by him.
We heard later that the preacher died a premature death. It wasn't a surprise that the Lord had to take him out. I don't recall his name, but I expect some United Pentecostals from that day might know of whom I speak.
The Roberts also had an emphasis on form, in dress and ceremony. They were part of the system, as were George Lynn - who led me to Christ; Dave Loewen - who was used of God to lead us to receive the Spirit; and R. A. Torrey - who wrote the booklet Dave left with us, “The Baptism in the Holy Spirit,” through the use of which we received the Spirit. Torrey was associated with D. L. Moody, another man who was part of the system. There were many such occasions and examples in our lives.
In spite of themselves, the Lord uses all, and all have their purpose. Indeed, man's unrighteousness commends God's righteousness, in more ways than one. He works His purposes with all, and we have all been among the unrighteous. [END]
When God calls and chooses a person, who or what will stop Him? All things are at His beck and call to use as He pleases.
Thank you for your blessing, Brij. Will you receive us in Christ and partake of His blessing on our lives?
Paul
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Brij
Re: What Bible is the MKJV and what about Creflo Dollar?
One church cannot cater for all the world. Neither one resturant can supply food for all humanity. Therefore stop condeming this huge crowd. May God have mercy and judge them all!
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Paul Cohen
Re: What Bible is the MKJV and what about Creflo Dollar?
“Let the field be joyful, and all that is in it; then shall all the trees of the forest rejoice before the LORD; for He comes, for He comes to judge the earth; He shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with His truth” (Psalms 96:12-13 MKJV).
God is having mercy, Brij, by judging “them all” through our Words in Him. Those who receive what we've been commissioned by God to speak receive His mercy, and those who don't receive us continue in the destruction our Words would deliver them from. That's The Way It Is.
The religious buffet you've been eating from is laced with deadly poison, as with the rest of the multitudes on the broad way of destruction. Only the purity found of truth ministered through His cross will save you. Read The Cross - Only the Death Sentence Will Avail.
You're so wrong, Brij. One church can and does bring salvation to the whole world, and it's the church you can't see, because you look after the flesh and not after the Spirit.
Hebrews 12:22-27 MKJV
(22) But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(23) to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are written in Heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(24) and to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
(25) See that you do not refuse Him Who speaks. For if they did not escape, those who refused him that spoke on earth, much more we shall not escape if we turn away from Him Who speaks from Heaven,
(26) Whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, "Yet once more I will not only shake the earth, but also the heavens."
(27) And this word, "Yet once more," signifies the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that have been made, so that the things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Amen; what a glorious and wonderful work of God!
Paul
God is having mercy, Brij, by judging “them all” through our Words in Him. Those who receive what we've been commissioned by God to speak receive His mercy, and those who don't receive us continue in the destruction our Words would deliver them from. That's The Way It Is.
The religious buffet you've been eating from is laced with deadly poison, as with the rest of the multitudes on the broad way of destruction. Only the purity found of truth ministered through His cross will save you. Read The Cross - Only the Death Sentence Will Avail.
You're so wrong, Brij. One church can and does bring salvation to the whole world, and it's the church you can't see, because you look after the flesh and not after the Spirit.
Hebrews 12:22-27 MKJV
(22) But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(23) to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are written in Heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(24) and to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
(25) See that you do not refuse Him Who speaks. For if they did not escape, those who refused him that spoke on earth, much more we shall not escape if we turn away from Him Who speaks from Heaven,
(26) Whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, "Yet once more I will not only shake the earth, but also the heavens."
(27) And this word, "Yet once more," signifies the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that have been made, so that the things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Amen; what a glorious and wonderful work of God!
Paul
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Brij
Re: What Bible is the MKJV and what about Creflo Dollar?
You are condeming all these churches with the devil!
Jesus never told the people to pull out weeds. Bad and good seeds will grow together.
bet you cannot preach in India alone.
Jesus never told the people to pull out weeds. Bad and good seeds will grow together.
bet you cannot preach in India alone.
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Paul Cohen
Re: What Bible is the MKJV and what about Creflo Dollar?
We aren't pulling out weeds, Brij; we're gathering the wheat into the Lord's barn. Those who hear what we're saying come out from among the weeds, but those who don't are bundled as tares. We're good with that. God's fires will do His work.
Here, for example, is a tare from India we just preached the truth to:
“Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you would have no sin. But now you say, We see. Therefore your sin remains” (John 9:41 MKJV).
Paul
Here, for example, is a tare from India we just preached the truth to:
Albert is consorting with the Devil, Brij, and there you are supporting him. No, we aren't condemning Albert or you, but you condemn yourself by denying the truth while so adamantly claiming you can see.Subject- As I praying I saw u r coming to hyperbad India welcome.
From- albert
To- TPOT
Date- 2/13/2015 12:03 PM
I is great bless for us man of God u have come to India Mumbai we r blessed. As servant I ask u do remember us in pray Evg.albert .our heart wait on the lord for ur coming
From- Paul Cohen
Sent- Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:21 AM
To- Albert
Cc- Victor Hafichuk
Subject- Re: As I praying I saw u r coming to hyperbad India welcome.
Albert, we're already in India, and you aren't paying attention. You need to read our website for the Word of God provided there. Believe and you will be blessed. Continue to ignore this gift, and you will continue to be destroyed in your sins and the religious works of Satan.
Some relevant writings to begin with based on what I see on your Facebook page (<https://www.facebook.com/albert.lobo.35>):
Oyedepo, David: False Teachers in Nigeria, Too
Houston, Brian: Partying “Down Under,” MegaChurch Style
Roth, Sid: Its Super-Slimy
Religious Images, Icons, and Likenesses
Paul Cohen
www.ThePathofTruth.com
“Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you would have no sin. But now you say, We see. Therefore your sin remains” (John 9:41 MKJV).
Paul