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Hello everybody,

My name is Jordan and I am very blessed to have found this forum. I signed up as a member some time ago, but never have made a post until now. Now into the meat of the my introduction, discovery, and registration here.

It was about a year ago that I stumbled upon The Path of Truth through a series google searches. At the time, I had a friend who's denomination is Reformed Baptist. Now I have had many different experiences with Baptists but by this point and age in my life I had arrogantly assumed I was in a position to argue against the validity of her denomination. God has a funny way of humbling us when we are seeking to humble others.

I knew that the primary teacher they looked to for the purist form of Biblical interpretation is John Calvin. Though some have beliefs that stem away from his initial teachings, they hold most of his tenets as true. So I determined to do some research on John Calvin the man to see if I could find things that he taught that are in contradiction to Jesus' teachings.

My mind was blown when I found and red your PDF on John Calvin and all the things revealed that proved him to be not a Christian. I was smugly pleased when I used some of the things you wrote to argue in opposition to her Denomination. However, my heart was in the wrong place.. I did not seek to tell her these things to try and help her onto the right path (As if I was even on the right path in the first place to be leading and teaching) but I told her for my foolish pride as a man to try to be perceived more intelligent, enlightened, pious, etc.

Oh how stupid I was! How could ever assume that what I said (regardless of it being true or not) could ever be said from a sincere heart of wanting to guide her to the truth than for me own ego? It ended with a loss of a friendship and an unsatisfied emptiness in my heart. For I seeked not for the praise of God, but of men.

After that I did not come back to The Path of Truth for some time. But something inside of me urged me to come back and read more here for I knew there was truth to be found, as I knew I did not abide in the truth. And truth I found, but you know what The Bible say, "...The Truth shall set you free." Truth has a funny way of being liberating, but also pissing you off first. And I was no exception.

As I read more of the articles here I had many different emotional and visceral reactions. Some things aligned with my mode of thinking and other things did not. I was raised Non-Denominational (Which is a Denomination in itself, it's just a boastful way of saying we're not enslaved by the same Doctrinal positions of other denominations). I was brought up with most of the standard beliefs in an Organized Protestant religion. Jesus is The Son of God, born a virgin birth, died on the cross for our sins, water baptism is important, just accept Jesus into your heart and you will be saved from an eternity of excruciating fiery pain, the trinity, the Scripture has been kept and maintained as inerrant over millennia (as if man does not defile everything he touches, regardless of good intentions) and myriad of other beliefs, many that are true, many that are exaggerated, and many that are blatantly false.

As I continued reading articles on this site I found it striking that so many things that I had just accepted as a child growing up in the church and an adult were contradictory to what was being stated here. The two biggest difficulties I found in accepting as true was the teaching of the falsehood of the trinity and the reconciliation of all things. It has been so ingrained into organized religion today that virtually nobody questions it. But you proved time and time again with Scripture that the trinity was just a machination of men who either maliciously altered the meaning of Scripture, or simply weren't aware (Not that either are excusable). Also, your use of Scripture and just common sense to prove that no Loving Creator would create any sentient being with just the sole purpose of eternal torment.

At first, my indoctrinated mind just brushed off what you were saying as nonsense. I mean, after all, "how could these two men (Paul and Victor) know better than all these other who have collegiate "Degrees in Divinity' and have spent their life studying Scripture?" I thought to myself.

But something else tugged at my heart, something else told me that you two are not just crazy heretical teachers pushing a false agenda. Even though I didn't initial agree with everything you wrote (and I still have questions about somethings on here) I knew there was something to it. I searched and searched for some sort of sinister agenda that I believed you held, "If I find anything that appears to be else serving on this website, I know that they are false teachers". I couldn't find anything, nothing at all. No asking for donations, no seeking of praise fore oneself could I find in any of your writings. Even in the writings that seemed like vicious attacks against critics, false teachers, and anything else I could see that you were speaking the truth. Not in the "delicate way" that most pastors would deem as "proper conduct" for a Christian, but in a way that spared nothing but truth. You did not seek to convert them through the words you would hear a televangelist through smooth "feel-good" speak so they will line their pockets... No, you told them what they needed to hear not what they wanted to hear.

I have so much more that I want to say and ask in this thread but I feel it would become overbearing and lost in its purpose. The final thing that I'll say as it relates to the revelation to the truth of this site is this... This is going to sound very strange and bare with me here but this alone told me that Victor is not a false teacher... I have read most of his Theo-Autobiography "What the Lord has Done with Me" and this part was the most telling of all... I believe it was in either Part 1 or Part 2 and he was retelling of his time as a child. He said that he almost committed an act of beastiality.

Now, I didn't know how to feel about that when I red it at first... But I as I thought about it I realized once and for all that this is a man who has nothing to hide. He put everything he had done, for better or worse, on the table. Even admitting to this, knowing that the faint-of-heart might. I knew he was being led by God, I know that he almost certainly did not want to put that in there but God told him it is best to leave so that everything will be put on the table. I believe he put it there to show that no sin is unforgivable and God can make use out of anyone he pleases.

Thank you for taking the time to read my introduction and I look forward to being in the community here. If you have any questions for me please don't hesitate to ask, I am an open book

Hello, Jordan,

Thank you for sharing this letter with us. Much of what you write rings true with many of us here.

Have a blessed Sabbath.

Beryl.

"If I find anything that appears to be else serving on this website, I know that they are false teachers". I couldn't find anything, nothing at all. No asking for donations, no seeking of praise fore oneself could I find in any of your writings.

Jordan, I know exactly how that feels. I was vicious enough to even go on the offensive only to be humbled.

Hello Jordan,I can Identified with U on How U fiended The Path of Truth
Website.The Word tell us that " The Steps of a Good man are guided by The Lord"
that's the same thing I can said about myself on how I came here.
It had to be the Hands of Jesus.Because He Is The TRUTH.
Jose L.

Hello Jordan,
Cassidy here,
I just wanted to tell you that your post sounds extremely familiar to me from my own experience with beginning my walk with the Lord just weeks ago after being called out of organized religion (with quite a bit of family opposition). I too can relate to sharing the truth out of an insincere heart, I just Sinned in this way today and am repenting. Reading this was great.
Lord bless you!

Beryl Knipe wrote:Hello, Jordan,

Thank you for sharing this letter with us. Much of what you write rings true with many of us here.

Have a blessed Sabbath.

Beryl.

Thank you for the warm welcome Beryl, I look forward to conversing more with you! If you wouldn't mind, can you please tell me specifically some of the things that I said that resonate personally with you? It would be a blessing to me to hear from another who is on the same path as I am, and has similar feelings, experiences, or opinions that I do... Sometimes when I talk about my faith, even with those I am close to, I feel like we're worlds apart. They occasionally nod their head unconvincingly in agreement. But most of the time I feel as if they think I am on some other planet with no base in reality.

Dennison Rivera wrote:Jordan, I know exactly how that feels. I was vicious enough to even go on the offensive only to be humbled.

Acts 26:14 "And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, 'Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks'.

Yes, when we are entrenched in our sinful nature we fight against all that is truth. God has a way of taking those who are zealously contrary to His will and revealing to us that we are fighting in vain, blaspheming the name of Jesus in spirit while attempting to praise him in word.

While I never voiced any of my contempt or disagreements at what Victor and Paul taught on here, I did hold it in my heart, which is worse. At least those whose speak out against something, even if they are wrong, can be subject to change. For how can we we even know our faults if we don't speak out with the chance of reproof and having our errors revealed to us?

That is one of the most striking things to me about our Lord Jesus Christ when I read with how he handled the Pharisees. When they brought Him a denarius, He didn't humor them by acting ignorant about their intentions. He did not say "Oh yes pharisees! What question do you have in store for me today? I shall do my best to answer it." No, He says "You hypocrites! Why are you trying to trap me?"

But Jesus did not stop there, instead of just naming them as hypocrites and walking away from their attempted trap, which He very justly could have done, He allowed them to question Him so it could be used as a teaching lesson. Unfortunately for them, they allowed their pride to blind them from The Truth, and anger them further to the point of plotting to kill Him.

But you Dennison, did not follow the path of the pharisees. You stood The Truth in the face, attempted to destroy it, only to realize that you were on the losing side of the argument. Most would revel in their own pride and ignore and run away from truth. But God revealed to you that it is not your time to run away more, but His time to bring you into submission of His will. Praise the Lord!

These days we have far more pharisees than disciples. I know this, for I am one of them more often than I'd like. Too many believe their intellectual knowledge of Scripture saves them and "puts them in a better standing" with God than "the other guy".

I'm very interested to hear what caused your turn around, Dennison. Please do tell what happened between you and God, TPOT, and Victor and Paul that caused you to go from obstinate to obedient!

Jose lopez wrote:Hello Jordan,I can Identified with U on How U fiended The Path of Truth
Website.The Word tell us that " The Steps of a Good man are guided by The Lord"
that's the same thing I can said about myself on how I came here.
It had to be the Hands of Jesus.Because He Is The TRUTH.
Jose L.

Yes Jose, Jesus is The Truth. We are not all here by mere coincidence. Everything starts with Jesus and ends with Him. Luckily for us He does not leave us stranded to figure out how to find Him, He guides us towards Him through the straight and narrow. No forks in the road, no East or West, no U-turns. One straight road that leads us to Him. It's a beautiful thing!

Cassidy King wrote:Hello Jordan,
Cassidy here,
I just wanted to tell you that your post sounds extremely familiar to me from my own experience with beginning my walk with the Lord just weeks ago after being called out of organized religion (with quite a bit of family opposition). I too can relate to sharing the truth out of an insincere heart, I just Sinned in this way today and am repenting. Reading this was great.
Lord bless you!

Yes, I grew up in the church but always felt uncomfortable there, even at a young age. I have not attended an organized church in roughly 8 months now. I'd like to say that my purpose for leaving was solely for the pursuit after God but I cannot state that for sure. Even though I was uncomfortable there I can't say that my heart was seeking after His. I wanted to do my own thing, I wanted to live my own life, I wanted to be "free" to do as I pleased. Even if I didn't know exactly what it was that I wanted to do! I did not want to be accountable to anyone or answer to anyone. We've all felt this way.

The worst part about this "freedom" is it isn't freedom at all, just the opposite, it's slavery. We think we are free by doing whatever we see fit but we're really just in chains to our own carnalities. The further we stray from Him, the tighter the leash becomes on our neck. For it is not God that is holding the leash anymore but Satan. We develop a false sense of comfort, and comfort becomes stagnation and with stagnation comes death.

I suppose if I had to say what made me not feel right anymore being around an organized church was mostly false sense of happiness. I could very well be misjudging most of the congregation but it felt like nobody was real there, at least most of the time. It was as if no matter how bad a certain situation was in their life they would make light of it. No matter how badly you could tell something was affecting them devastating way, they had to put on forced smiles and half-hearted "God will make all things right". Forced platitudes and quoting Scripture as if to see who had the bigger Bible. As if it was a contest to see who could appear the happiest in times of hell on earth. Oh sure, most the words they were saying are true in vacuum, but how hollow do those words ring if there isn't any conviction behind the words being said?

Perhaps I'm too cynical, perhaps I'm too judgmental. The Lord knows these things are true of me but I would like to think He gave me the gift of discernment. The Lord knows I'm not always right, I'd be lucky if I was right half of the time. But, Did Jesus not seek alone time when John The Baptist was beheaded? Was He not enraged when the pharisees turned His house of prayer into a den of thieves? Was He not begrieved when His disciples abandoned Him? Was He not anguished God had forsaken Him?

I felt as if their "version" of Jesus was essentially some Hippy from the 70's who had no worries and didn't let anything get him down. As if He walked around all day with a plastered on smile preaching "ya'll better believe what I'm sayin' now ya hear? Or the Devil gon' getchu! And you don't want that now do ya? Just say ya love Me real quick with yer eyes closed and ya'll be saved ferever from burnin' in that there fire!" I'm exaggerating of course, but I do live in Florida so it's not that far off.

What in particular led you out of organized religion Cassidy?

Jordan,
Your reasoning for coming out of church is similar to mine in several ways, including not feeling it was real, fake smile, etc.
However those were all just contributing factors that made it that much clearer when I read TPOT website for the first time. You see, I grew up in a denominational church and was playing guitar and serving as a youth leader just about a month ago! My father was and is a pastor for my entire life (I'm 21 by the way), he loves me very much and pursues the truth with everything he can and has good intentions I'm sure. I remember when I was living with my dad when I was 18 and reading through the new testemant. One day I was in his office after reading the gospel of Luke. I said to him, "dad, I understand why we do some of the things we do, but everytime I read the words of Jesus, it just seems harder than what we're doing and how we make it out to be, a lot more commitment and way more intense". So, all of the family ties, commitment to my denomination, pursuit of "truth" I was involved, etc. ended when I was about a week into my reading of the TPOT teaching papers. I started with "confession of sins", was shocked(somewhat) at how much harder it seemed than what I had always been told, but knew immediately Christs Body found me, not that I found the site. Things started happening, a lot of stuff. I read "repentance", again, a wave of conviction and repentance stormed into my heart immediately and made its home there. Then I read "the church", went to one more Wednesday night service and a Sunday morning, then immediately stopped going to that church(though I live with the youth pastor and almost got kicked out of the house, my cousins house), it was just way too clear how unclean it was. I read the diabolical doctrine "all marriages are of God" and had to die to my wife as she was in a false religion, saying she would never let me instruct our son and that he would grow up in this false religion called the UDV. We were about to get divorced, and just so you know, she was in the sabbath meeting with us Yesterday after ending her membership with the false religion she was in and saying "Cassidy, lead our son, and lead me". PRAISE THE LORD FOR HE IS GOOD! It wasn't the articles or Paul and Victor speaking through them. It was just the Lords timing, for everything. The Lord has given me to submit to Paul and Victor as the ministers and spiritual authorities on earth He has placed over me, I've had to explain to almost all my family and received such opposition, been called satan, shown demonstration of extreme false love to bring me away from the Truth but the Lord and the Lord alone is keeping me. The Lords given me adversity and continues to, something I always wondered why nominal Christians don't seem to have that much of, from what I saw we were all quite comfortable and sedated by the outward form of Godliness that lacked the power thereof, because the power thereof is very strong, and can break me. I'm learning to die, learning, listening, watching, acting when told, sinning, confessing, repenting, walking, rushing, receive judgment, correction, instruction, and forgiveness. May the Lord keep all of us by His will, whether His will for us looks like His will for Job, or Enoch, or anything. It will be specific to all of us and require dying I know that. Welcome Jordan, welcome.

Hi Jordan,

I don't have a laptop on hand so I'm doing everything through my phone. I wrote a summary a few years ago but so much has happened even since than. Jordan what state do you live in by the way?

Anyways let me share my outdated summary, and there is summaries of others in those transcripts as well. Feel free to ask me for more details. There are many details I left out. I'll add comments in italic to update the summary.

Re: Sabbath Meeting Transcript - 4/11/15
Postby Dennison Rivera » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:16 am

\/: Hi All,
Last week, we had people share briefly who they were, how they got here and what the Lord was doing for them...some here didn't have opportunity to do so...would you like to finish that?

I happened to be reading the transcript. Realized that I needed to share my intro as well. Though I kind of wish I could just save a copy because I have wrote one's before. Maybe we should save our progress or experience here in our forum.

Anyways, My name is Dennison Rivera I'm 25 years old turning 26 soon. (I'm 26 now) I am Edwin's and Delia's Nephew. I first met Edwin I believe when I was like 12. We use to play chess together, and back than he was a different man than he is today. However though there are so many details I'll attempt to keep it short. Since I was 15 I dedicated my life to the church, and started my studies in theology soon after I graduated. I was admired by all and supported by all. Every Pastor wanted me to join their ranks and I was esteemed to be "Man of God". However around the same time that Edwin started to be persecuted by "palabra revelada", I too started to be persecuted simply because I chose to leave. The reason why I left was simply because I knew that I haven't changed, and what we were doing in the church is perverted. It was a never ending cycle of sin, and there was no true freedom. Soon when I asked the Lord to "break me, to mold me, to make me know Him like his disciples have known Him" I found myself in the opposite end of my plans. Since I wasn't playing as their poster child or as their mascot anymore "Rios de Aciete" (Rivers of Oil) Church forbided everyone to have any contact with me.

Since than I was in a rampage. I was angry, sad, and went through many emotions. Long story short Edwin had sent my mother a link to The Path of Truth because my mother and Delia (who are sisters) were discussing such topics. I had shared with my mother some things I had started to believe but no one could identify with what I was being shown. So my mother forwarded the link to me, and I started reading TPOT. Shortly after I started to talk with Paul, and shared my story. I was invited to the Sabbath Meeting, and I started my campaign of pure carnal assault. I took Victor and Paul and everyone including my uncle and aunt as enemies. I did much to discredit them, and I sounded no different from the many others who ignorantly try to discredit Paul and Victor. However I only hated them because they exposed me, that I knew not God as I assumed I did all these years. As I continued to search for evidence to discredit them I always found myself saying.... I can't deny this, or that. In the end, I submitted, and turned from hate and despair. (I left many times as well and I even told them I was unwilling to change) Thankfully I have grown to loved them and aid them when able to in discussions with heathens who come to discredit them like I once did.

Those were the days when I was the only one in Houston, but now I am not alone! I'm thankful that the Lord has drawn Lynn, Scott, and Joseph! We have had meetings here and there! Hopefully we can meet you all soon enough!

Surely many things have changed from those days! There is so much more! however I believe this should suffice for a summary.

Dennison

But you Dennison, did not follow the path of the pharisees. You stood The Truth in the face, attempted to destroy it, only to realize that you were on the losing side of the argument. Most would revel in their own pride and ignore and run away from truth. But God revealed to you that it is not your time to run away more, but His time to bring you into submission of His will. Praise the Lord!

These days we have far more pharisees than disciples. I know this, for I am one of them more often than I'd like. Too many believe their intellectual knowledge of Scripture saves them and "puts them in a better standing" with God than "the other guy".

I'm very interested to hear what caused your turn around, Dennison. Please do tell what happened between you and God, TPOT, and Victor and Paul that caused you to go from obstinate to obedient!

Actually the strange thing was that in those times is that from the beginning I knew it was true because it confirmed what I already believed. I have been nothing but a fiend, so I'm not one who is going to claim that I have been obedient... the Lord has had mercy on me that I truly don't deserve. I have done nothing but spit on His face. However here I am. I believe the Lord is sovereign over all, and He can even make scum obey Him. So if I have been found obedient in anyway, it would only be because the Lord did it in me. I remember the days where I was unthankful and didn't want to turn from my sins. Now the Lord has open my heart to be thankful and is helping me overcome myself. Im thankful!

Dennison

Yes Dennison! You have submitted to Our Father.

Dennison,
Thank you for the transparency you just showed to all of us! And it's great to hear your introduction as we will be meeting soon, Lord willing. Your admission to only being obedient because of Gods work goes for all of us I'm sure! I too have ONLY had any semblance of obedience because of the change He made in my heart.
I'm very excited to meet you and Igor if the Lords will is for us to do that.

By the way, Jordan, where are you from if you don't mind me asking?

Cassidy King wrote:Jordan, 
Your reasoning for coming out of church is similar to mine in several ways, including not feeling it was real, fake smile, etc.
However those were all just contributing factors that made it that much clearer when I read TPOT website for the first time.

Isn't it interesting how we have these feelings and contentions while in a church but feel as if we have bury them and accept things "as they are" because who are we going to turn to with our questions? Anybody in our immediate social/church circle is just going reinforce the beliefs and gain a social consensus as to what is right or wrong. It is very difficult to turn away from pack mentality since if we do that we will end up alone (or at least feel that way). We naturally abhor the thought of being alone and will go to great measures to compromise our beliefs just to stay in good societal standing. 

I used to think the internet was just a cesspool filled with pornography, hate forums/boards, gossip about this or that celebrity, and utter useless garbage. I believe that, even though that still is the primary demographic of the internet, it will be one of the most useful tools at God's disposal to share the good news to those in darkness.

If you look at places like China, North Korea, the Middle East, and other highly governmentally regulated countries that do not allow "foreign" teachings to be spread for fear of losing the mind control of their people it is truly heartbreaking.

I believe the internet and the massive information influx and outflow will be used at God's disposal to break the chains of bondage that many of these countries have over their people.

For example, many of us here would probably still be wandering in darkness in search of The Light. I thank our Lord Almighty that, unbeknownst to us, lead us here to answer many of the questions that we had. Even 20 years ago a lot of this would be very suppressed and difficult to find. Just from reading most of Victor's Theo-autobiography I see how over and over again he struggled to find people who God had lead to the same revelations he had. He states his loneliness in there feeling like an outcast many times.

I'd bet since God's showering of blessings on him and leading him to start this forum that God has enabled him to reach more people on here in a tenth of the time that he spent traveling state to state, town to town, and country to country.

Cassidy King wrote:You see, I grew up in a denominational church and was playing guitar and serving as a youth leader just about a month ago! My father was and is a pastor for my entire life (I'm 21 by the way), he loves me very much and pursues the truth with everything he can and has good intentions I'm sure. I remember when I was living with my dad when I was 18 and reading through the new testemant. One day I was in his office after reading the gospel of Luke. I said to him, "dad, I understand why we do some of the things we do, but everytime I read the words of Jesus, it just seems harder than what we're doing and how we make it out to be, a lot more commitment and way more intense".

Wow only 21! At 21 I was only thinking about "where are we going to get a drink next?" and looking around for woman I could have sex with... Dark times, It wasn't until I nearly died while drunkenly racing a "friend" of mine after the bars closed on the highway and slamming into a median completely totaling my car. The Lord has blessed you with understanding beyond your years. 

I am 25 now and still feel I understand a lot less than I should at this age. But I do know that God is no respecter of persons so everyone has different strengths and weaknesses.

I have a very similar relationship with my dad. I know he loves me very much and I have no doubt he is a Christian even though we have differing views on Scripture and other things Spiritually... I feel he has lost his zeal in search for truth in his later years and has somewhat become comfortable with the status quo. But I know he would sacrifice his life in a second if required for family and friends.

I've presented some of the things I've learned on this site to him and he doesn't treat me as a heretic for me beliefs and actually listens to me as it relates to Scripture and certain beliefs. He does not necessarily agree with some of the things taught but he's not so closed minded as to just discredit them as false doctrine. 

Cassidy King wrote:So, all of the family ties, commitment to my denomination, pursuit of "truth" I was involved, etc. ended when I was about a week into my reading of the TPOT teaching papers. I started with "confession of sins", was shocked(somewhat) at how much harder it seemed than what I had always been told, but knew immediately Christs Body found me, not that I found the site. Things started happening, a lot of stuff. I read "repentance", again, a wave of conviction and repentance stormed into my heart immediately and made its home there. Then I read "the church", went to one more Wednesday night service and a Sunday morning, then immediately stopped going to that church(though I live with the youth pastor and almost got kicked out of the house, my cousins house), it was just way too clear how unclean it was.

I have not had a radical overnight type of change personally but I have noticed things changing in my life as I progress in my transformation. I still have many vices that need to be broken and are not spiritually conducive, but I know as the Lord continues to work on me these vices will go away and I will be dependent on nothing but his grace and promises to be truly content and have no artificial sense of happiness. Any "happiness" that does not come from God Himself is short-lived and not happiness at all. It's like any drug, the high may feel great for a short period of time but the crash contrasts the high to point of completely negating it. And like any drug/vice the more it's abused the more of it is needed to retain that false sense of contentment.

Isn't it amazing how those who seemed so close to you at one point in your life can become most prominent antagonist towards you? It just goes to show you how feeble even the most seemingly unbreakable friendship is when decide "against their belief system". They fear men so much that they know if they are socializing, housing, or spending any sort of time with you that it will reflect how the men they've invested so much of their life trying to impress will look at them. Once they correlate that man with his "heretical friend" (You in this case) that they will completely ostracize him from their tightly nit group. Even if they don't outright banish him, he will slandered through speech and stare amongst the congregation.

Cassidy King wrote:I read the diabolical doctrine "all marriages are of God" and had to die to my wife as she was in a false religion, saying she would never let me instruct our son and that he would grow up in this false religion called the UDV. We were about to get divorced, and just so you know, she was in the sabbath meeting with us Yesterday after ending her membership with the false religion she was in and saying "Cassidy, lead our son, and lead me". PRAISE THE LORD FOR HE IS GOOD! It wasn't the articles or Paul and Victor speaking through them. It was just the Lords timing, for everything. The Lord has given me to submit to Paul and Victor as the ministers and spiritual authorities on earth He has placed over me.

I don't believe every marriage is one the God approves of but I also hold true to the word's of Jesus and Paul. We should not be unequally yoked but I believe if we are married to a man or woman before Jesus draws us to Him that we do not just leave him or her. Of course if the unbeliever wants a divorce because they do not agree with our transition there is no reason to fight it. For if we fight in favor of the marriage with the wife or husband we are fighting in favor to divorce our Lord and Savior.

Praise the Lord it did not have to come to that between you and your wife Cassidy! He opened her spiritual eyes even if her fleshly eyes do not understand it yet.

Cassidy King wrote:I've had to explain to almost all my family and received such opposition, been called satan, shown demonstration of extreme false love to bring me away from the Truth but the Lord and the Lord alone is keeping me. The Lords given me adversity and continues to, something I always wondered why nominal Christians don't seem to have that much of, from what I saw we were all quite comfortable and sedated by the outward form of Godliness that lacked the power thereof, because the power thereof is very strong, and can break me. I'm learning to die, learning, listening, watching, acting when told, sinning, confessing, repenting, walking, rushing, receive judgment, correction, instruction, and forgiveness. May the Lord keep all of us by His will, whether His will for us looks like His will for Job, or Enoch, or anything. It will be specific to all of us and require dying I know that. Welcome Jordan, welcome.

The words of Proverbs 27:6 ring true " Faithful are the wounds from a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful"

You received the kisses of the enemy when you were against God's will. Once you received the wounds from friends and God with their words but you realized they were much more valuable. Truth shall always overcome lies.

Dennison Rivera wrote:Hi Jordan, 

I don't have a laptop on hand so I'm doing everything through my phone.  I wrote a summary a few years ago but so much has happened even since than.  Jordan what state do you live in by the way?  

Anyways let me share my outdated summary, and there is summaries of others in those transcripts as well.  Feel free to ask me for more details.  There are many details I left out.  I'll add comments in italic to update the summary.

I live in Florida.

Dennison Rivera wrote:Anyways, My name is Dennison Rivera I'm 25 years old turning 26 soon. (I'm 26 now) I am Edwin's and Delia's Nephew. I first met Edwin I believe when I was like 12. We use to play chess together, and back than he was a different man than he is today. However though there are so many details I'll attempt to keep it short. Since I was 15 I dedicated my life to the church, and started my studies in theology soon after I graduated. I was admired by all and supported by all. Every Pastor wanted me to join their ranks and I was esteemed to be "Man of God". However around the same time that Edwin started to be persecuted by "palabra revelada"



What is “palabra revelada”? I looked it up on google but still don’t really understand.

Dennison Rivera wrote:I too started to be persecuted simply because I chose to leave. The reason why I left was simply because I knew that I haven't changed, and what we were doing in the church is perverted. It was a never ending cycle of sin, and there was no true freedom. Soon when I asked the Lord to "break me, to mold me, to make me know Him like his disciples have known Him" I found myself in the opposite end of my plans. Since I wasn't playing as their poster child or as their mascot anymore "Rios de Aciete" (Rivers of Oil) Church forbided everyone to have any contact with me.





That is one thing I’ve found at TPOT that really impressed me. They are not ignorant and disassociate themselves with foreign doctrines or teachings that are in conflict with The Truth. The more you know about where someone else is coming from whether it be Islam, Mormonism, Jehova’s Witnesses, etc the better you will be able to have a discussion with them and understand where they are coming from and with the ability to show them the error of their beliefs. It reminds me of when Paul went into Athens to preach the Good News. He did not discredit them for their Roman beliefs, in fact I’d bet he probably knew a lot about them since he was a Roman citizen and grew up in Tarsus. He did not starve them of the Good News just because he may have assumed it would have fallen on deaf ears.

Acts 17:29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”
32 When they heard about the resurrection of the dead, some of them sneered, but others said, “We want to hear you again on this subject.” 33 At that, Paul left the Council. 34 Some of the people became followers of Paul and believed. Among them was Dionysius, a member of the Areopagus, also a woman named Damaris, and a number of others.

He did not pridefully ignore the city just because he may have thought there was no seeds to be planted but he also spoke to them in their language and used some of their own philosopher’s words so they may better understand. And even a handful of them became followers and believed! Imagine how tough that was for them being that Paul was disdained as an ignorant speaker of foreign deities. They had to turn away from everything they used to believe at the cost of being shunned by their own city of Athens.

Dennison Rivera wrote:Since than I was in a rampage. I was angry, sad, and went through many emotions. Long story short Edwin had sent my mother a link to The Path of Truth because my mother and Delia (who are sisters) were discussing such topics. I had shared with my mother some things I had started to believe but no one could identify with what I was being shown. So my mother forwarded the link to me, and I started reading TPOT. Shortly after I started to talk with Paul, and shared my story. I was invited to the Sabbath Meeting, and I started my campaign of pure carnal assault. I took Victor and Paul and everyone including my uncle and aunt as enemies. I did much to discredit them, and I sounded no different from the many others who ignorantly try to discredit Paul and Victor.





Yes, I’ve had a few talks with the things I’ve read and believe on TPOT and she has humored it to a certain extend without any outright discrediting of the teachings here but I know she is more interested in having a social group inside a church for the purpose of friends and acquaintances. Even though she cannot refute these things (as truth cannot be refuted) she chooses not to look more in depth into for free that it is not that “popular” and doesn’t know or think that there is a sustaining group or congregation that she can comfortable go to to be with her when she is seeking the solace in times of loneliness.

I can empathize with her though. It is very difficult to give up social status and even simply social approval even when one knows it is to follow The Truth. But it is necessary if we want to truly become followers of Christ.

Dennison Rivera wrote:However I only hated them because they exposed me, that I knew not God as I assumed I did all these years. As I continued to search for evidence to discredit them I always found myself saying.... I can't deny this, or that. In the end, I submitted, and turned from hate and despair. (I left many times as well and I even told them I was unwilling to change)  Thankfully I have grown to loved them and aid them when able to in discussions with heathens who come to discredit them like I once did.





That is by God’s grace alone that you were able be humbled and join those who you were so fervently against. It is also an amazing feeling when those people who you were so compelled to prove wrong and mocked lovingly took you back in and viewed you as if you had never spit in their face to begin with. That is one of the undeniable truths and proofs of Paul and Victor of being true Christians. 

Oh sure, some churches may excommunicate you and take you back if you “repent” to them but they are doing under the guise of Christianity when it is only their self-serving motives to make an example of you and to tout their piousness amongst their congregation. Same result, opposite motives.

Cassidy King wrote:Dennison,
Thank you for the transparency you just showed to all of us! And it's great to hear your introduction as we will be meeting soon, Lord willing. Your admission to only being obedient because of Gods work goes for all of us I'm sure! I too have ONLY had any semblance of obedience because of the change He made in my heart. 
I'm very excited to meet you and Igor if the Lords will is for us to do that.

By the way, Jordan, where are you from if you don't mind me asking?





I don’t mind at all I am from and live in Seminole Florida

Jordan, I am replying on my phone here so I can't see your post as I type this message. But I truly appreciate your ability to understand and communicate your experiences and convey how I was feeling in the past even better than I can myself lol! I would love to talk to you on the phone sometime feel free to give me a call 8179394620!



What is “palabra revelada”? I looked it up on google but still don’t really understand.

Palabra Revelada is actually a Name of the Church that Edwin attended long ago.

Yes, I’ve had a few talks with the things I’ve read and believe on TPOT and she has humored it to a certain extend without any outright discrediting of the teachings here but I know she is more interested in having a social group inside a church for the purpose of friends and acquaintances. Even though she cannot refute these things (as truth cannot be refuted) she chooses not to look more in depth into for free that it is not that “popular” and doesn’t know or think that there is a sustaining group or congregation that she can comfortable go to to be with her when she is seeking the solace in times of loneliness.

I can empathize with her though. It is very difficult to give up social status and even simply social approval even when one knows it is to follow The Truth. But it is necessary if we want to truly become followers of Christ.

I'm sorry, I'm little confused on who you mean by "she".

I'm glad to hear from you Jordan. I look forward to hearing more from you and able to meet you some day, Lord willing. You're obviously not alone!

Dennison