"Provoke Goyim" Comes to "The Path of Truth"
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:38 am
We received an email from an anonymous sender, “Provoke Goyim,” with his blog address and this message:
some ideas to stir your thoughts, if you like...
http://www.provokethegoyim.blogspot.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I found the person’s name while looking over his blog with related materials and replied:
Ok, Aryeh, I looked at your blog. I hear what you’re saying about craven Jews who care more about what men think and will do to them than they care for the truth and doing what’s right. It’s a horrible thing to behold, with terrible consequences. We know that. But who are you to talk with your smug attitude, arrogance, and scorn of all peoples, Jew and Gentile alike, who don’t agree with your idolatrous, self-righteous religion? You’re a stench in God’s nose.
God may have mercy on some of the self-serving deluded Jews you despise, but there’s no such mercy for an unmerciful and proud ingrate such as yourself.
“Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall” (Proverbs 16:18 ESV).
“For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment” (James 2:13 ESV).
You’re a great hypocrite to condemn others and to gloat over their misfortunes while not recognizing or confessing your own sins and those of your fathers that put you under God’s wrath and brought on you the misfortunes Jews have suffered. If you were the God-fearing man you presume to be, you’d recognize that HE did all those things you blame on the Goyim, and He did them to you because of your sins.
“Therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the LORD will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And He will put a yoke of iron on your neck until He has destroyed you. The LORD will bring a nation against you from far away, from the end of the earth, swooping down like the eagle, a nation whose language you do not understand, a hard-faced nation who shall not respect the old or show mercy to the young” (Deuteronomy 28:48-50 ESV).
You have despised the God of Israel and His judgment on your sin. You will be so ashamed of yourself in the day when He gives you to see what you are and what you’ve done. “Provoke the Goyim”? Read your Scriptures, fool:
Deuteronomy 32:20-27 ESV
(20) And He said, 'I will hide My face from them; I will see what their end will be, For they are a perverse generation, children in whom is no faithfulness.
(21) They have made Me jealous with what is no god; they have provoked Me to anger with their idols. So I will make them jealous with those who are no people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
(22) For a fire is kindled by My anger, and it burns to the depths of Sheol, devours the earth and its increase, and sets on fire the foundations of the mountains.
(23) "'And I will heap disasters upon them; I will spend my arrows on them;
(24) they shall be wasted with hunger, and devoured by plague and poisonous pestilence; I will send the teeth of beasts against them, with the venom of things that crawl in the dust.
(25) Outdoors the sword shall bereave, and indoors terror, for young man and woman alike, the nursing child with the man of gray hairs.
(26) I would have said, "I will cut them to pieces; I will wipe them from human memory,"
(27) had I not feared provocation by the enemy, lest their adversaries should misunderstand, lest they should say, "Our hand is triumphant, it was not the LORD Who did all this."'
Of the several people who commented on your blog, the only one who enthusiastically agrees with your contemptuous attitude and gives his name is a man with whom we had a correspondence several years ago.
Ariel Ben Yochanan (Andras Bereny) said on Aryeh’s Blog...
B"H
Oh, ohhh, ooohhhhhhh. Fresssh air!I put you on my blog-roll
26 April 2009 at 16:23
Read what your brother Ariel said, and what we said to him… and now to you.
Sent to Ariel on December 21, 2009:
The Key for Israel and the Jew
Introduction: Jews, you have tried everything to be at peace by dialoguing with, and appeasing, the world. You have tried everything, and nothing has worked, because you lacked the simple solution. Here is the key for Israel, the Jew, and the whole world.
Ariel’s reply:
B"H
I killed jc myself, with my own hands. He was a pig and you are a pig, P*ul C*hen
Ariel Ben Yochanan
Israel
Victor and I replied:
Shalom Ariel,
Victor Hafichuk here from http://www.ThePathofTruth.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
Yes, as you say, you, in your fathers, did indeed kill Yeshua HaMashiach, and so was it meant to be, by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of YHWH. Yeshua was the Passover Lamb and the Jews slew Him exactly on the Passover, but as an unclean animal, a pig. Thereafter, the Jews began a vicious persecution of the first Messianic Jews to this day. And now you call us pigs and tell us that if you had the chance, you would kill us too. Understood.
I am Ukrainian, and history tells us that Ukrainians, in their country, as with so many other peoples, treated Jews as worse than pigs, torturing and slaughtering them in hate, just like the hate you have and express to us now in your rabid reply.
The Torah teaches that as you sow, you reap. Is it any wonder then what has happened to the Jews everywhere throughout history? “His blood be upon us and upon our children!” the Jews screamed in fury, as they delivered HaMashiach to the Romans for execution. And so they killed Him. And so it has been for you, even as you swore, has it not?
You remind me of Sha’ul of Tarsus, a Pharisee, who also once expressed exactly the same sentiment you do now, until Yeshua turned him around 180 degrees. Suddenly he knew the Truth and became a faithful disciple, no longer being the hateful persecutor but the loving prey of his persecutors, the Jews, who continued in their hatred for those who believed on Yeshua HaMashiach.
I too despised Jews until Yeshua took a hold of my life in 1973 at age 27 and gave me His Spirit in 1975. Since then, I have loved the Jews and have stood with and for them (that includes Israel) in spite of themselves and their hatred for me. For some evidence of our stance, of which you have been carelessly and criminally ignorant in your great bitterness, go to http://www.HarvestHaven.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://www.ThePathofTruth.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
See how you hate yourself and fester in your destruction, hating those who love you, having hated the One Who loved you so much, He laid down His life for your trespasses against the Law of YHWH.
While you despise us, we, according to the Law and the Prophets, love you. So then, who is in the right and who is in the wrong - the one who curses his friends, or the one who blesses his enemies? Perhaps you still believe hatred and murder will prevail in the end? Not according to YHWH or the Torah.
Who but YHWH knows if you will not one day be like Sha’ul? At least you are up front with your hatred, while some hide away, taking shots as cowards and leaving no possibility to return fire.
After reading at our site, I should hope you would be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for what you do both to yourself and to all Jews by your public example.
Victor
Ariel, as Victor has noted, you speak out of great ignorance of what we believe, teach, are, and have experienced. You’re missing on all counts.
There is much for you to read on http://www.ThePathofTruth.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, starting in Israel and the Jew, though certainly not limited to that section. What you call Xtianity has as little to do with Jesus Christ as what you call Judaism has to do with Moses.
Do you think Moses approves of the “Oral Teachings” and the Talmud, for examples, both of which contradict what God gave him? Talk about adding to the Bible in sin!
So, you can continue to spew your vitriol from the mental cave you have backed yourself into, or you can come out of the perverse world of your mind and expose yourself to reality.
Or Reality will come into your little cave, which is what just happened to you.
Paul Cohen
Ariel wrote back:
B"H
You still are a good Jew hater Victor, don't you worry. You are doing your best to strip Jews off their Judaism. Not something you will be proud of on Judgment Day, standing in front of your Creator.
ABY
Israel
We replied:
Ariel, what you call “Judaism” has nothing to do with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Aaron, Samuel, David, Ezra, and all the prophets of God, who rebuked the Israelites for creating and worshipping idols as you do. You have made disgusting idols of the Torah, “the Wall,” and of being Jewish itself. You worship anything but the living God of Israel.
Surely you and your fellow Torah-worshipping Jews would have stoned Moses when he smashed the Ten Commandments (written, not by the hand of man, but by God Himself), reacting as he did to your idolatries.
You would have cried foul when Hezekiah stripped you of your idolatrous Judaism:
2 Kings 18:2-5 JPS
(2) Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem; and his mother's name was Abi the daughter of Zechariah.
(3) And he did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, according to all that David his father had done.
(4) He removed the high places, and broke the pillars, and cut down the Asherah; and he broke in pieces the brazen serpent that Moses had made; for unto those days the children of Israel did offer to it; and it was called Nehushtan.
(5) He trusted in the LORD, the God of Israel; so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor among them that were before him.
You make offerings to the Torah just like your fathers did to the serpent, which God also gave through Moses. The video you sent us depicts your vile worship of a man-made object. And you complain when God sends us to root out this heathen idolatry that destroys you?! You are confounded, hypocrite. You are fighting against God and true Judaism.
Hear what one of your allies says of your idolatrous video:
“I love this! We did it in our R.E at St.Anne's in Southampton, England! WE all loved it.. and we listened to it 4 times.”
You see, our confused Jewish friend, in your sin you are allied with idolatrous so-called Christians, those whom you loathe and revile. You have far more in common with them than you do with true Jews, like us and Hezekiah, who worship God in spirit and truth.
Your other idol-worshipping allies, the Muslims, blasphemously declare, “God has no Son.” Their abomination with these very words written within stands on your most holy place, the Temple Mount, broadcasting your stance to the world, “God has no Son!” Are you proud of the uncircumcised foreskin you display in front of the entire world, which stands on your holy place?
Don’t you know that God won’t allow you to serve Him in your uncircumcision? He sought to kill Moses over this matter (Exodus 4:24). How do you think you will escape His judgment?
God says you won’t escape, but judgment is administered through the Son, His Anointed (Christ) One:
Psalms 2:1-9 JPS
(1) Why are the nations in an uproar? And why do the peoples mutter in vain?
(2) The kings of the earth stand up, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against His anointed:
(3) 'Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.'
(4) He that sitteth in heaven laugheth, the Lord hath them in derision.
(5) Then will He speak unto them in His wrath, and affright them in His sore displeasure:
(6) 'Truly it is I that have established My king upon Zion, My holy mountain.'
(7) I will tell of the decree: the LORD said unto me: 'Thou art My son, this day have I begotten thee.
(8) Ask of Me, and I will give the nations for thine inheritance, and the ends of the earth for thy possession.
(9) Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.'
Thus we speak, stripping you and the world of its blasphemous idolatries, having been given this power and commandment by God. You can’t resist any more than a piece of pottery can resist a rod of iron.
Victor replies:
I hope I AM doing my best to “strip Jews of their Judaism," not because I hate them but because I love them. Their Judaism hates them and is destroying them.
Paul Cohen
Victor Hafichuk
http://www.ThePathofTruth.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Back to the present: Aryeh has written back with a request to discuss this matter on the forum.
would love to join your forum at the trailofpopcorn but I can't sign on.
how can we work out a free pass for direct access thereto?
that way all the soulless mouth-breathers who come to your site could talk to a real jew, try to beat up on him and still die the death of a dog.
awaiting your unsatisfactory reply
After creating this thread I’m sending Aryeh the link in order for him to respond here. But if he continues his present course of making derogatory remarks rather than addressing the substance, it’s apparent he’s already thrown in the towel and the debate is over.
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” – Socrates
Paul
some ideas to stir your thoughts, if you like...
http://www.provokethegoyim.blogspot.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I found the person’s name while looking over his blog with related materials and replied:
Ok, Aryeh, I looked at your blog. I hear what you’re saying about craven Jews who care more about what men think and will do to them than they care for the truth and doing what’s right. It’s a horrible thing to behold, with terrible consequences. We know that. But who are you to talk with your smug attitude, arrogance, and scorn of all peoples, Jew and Gentile alike, who don’t agree with your idolatrous, self-righteous religion? You’re a stench in God’s nose.
God may have mercy on some of the self-serving deluded Jews you despise, but there’s no such mercy for an unmerciful and proud ingrate such as yourself.
“Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall” (Proverbs 16:18 ESV).
“For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment” (James 2:13 ESV).
You’re a great hypocrite to condemn others and to gloat over their misfortunes while not recognizing or confessing your own sins and those of your fathers that put you under God’s wrath and brought on you the misfortunes Jews have suffered. If you were the God-fearing man you presume to be, you’d recognize that HE did all those things you blame on the Goyim, and He did them to you because of your sins.
“Therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the LORD will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And He will put a yoke of iron on your neck until He has destroyed you. The LORD will bring a nation against you from far away, from the end of the earth, swooping down like the eagle, a nation whose language you do not understand, a hard-faced nation who shall not respect the old or show mercy to the young” (Deuteronomy 28:48-50 ESV).
You have despised the God of Israel and His judgment on your sin. You will be so ashamed of yourself in the day when He gives you to see what you are and what you’ve done. “Provoke the Goyim”? Read your Scriptures, fool:
Deuteronomy 32:20-27 ESV
(20) And He said, 'I will hide My face from them; I will see what their end will be, For they are a perverse generation, children in whom is no faithfulness.
(21) They have made Me jealous with what is no god; they have provoked Me to anger with their idols. So I will make them jealous with those who are no people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
(22) For a fire is kindled by My anger, and it burns to the depths of Sheol, devours the earth and its increase, and sets on fire the foundations of the mountains.
(23) "'And I will heap disasters upon them; I will spend my arrows on them;
(24) they shall be wasted with hunger, and devoured by plague and poisonous pestilence; I will send the teeth of beasts against them, with the venom of things that crawl in the dust.
(25) Outdoors the sword shall bereave, and indoors terror, for young man and woman alike, the nursing child with the man of gray hairs.
(26) I would have said, "I will cut them to pieces; I will wipe them from human memory,"
(27) had I not feared provocation by the enemy, lest their adversaries should misunderstand, lest they should say, "Our hand is triumphant, it was not the LORD Who did all this."'
Of the several people who commented on your blog, the only one who enthusiastically agrees with your contemptuous attitude and gives his name is a man with whom we had a correspondence several years ago.
Ariel Ben Yochanan (Andras Bereny) said on Aryeh’s Blog...
B"H
Oh, ohhh, ooohhhhhhh. Fresssh air!I put you on my blog-roll
26 April 2009 at 16:23
Read what your brother Ariel said, and what we said to him… and now to you.
Sent to Ariel on December 21, 2009:
The Key for Israel and the Jew
Introduction: Jews, you have tried everything to be at peace by dialoguing with, and appeasing, the world. You have tried everything, and nothing has worked, because you lacked the simple solution. Here is the key for Israel, the Jew, and the whole world.
Ariel’s reply:
B"H
I killed jc myself, with my own hands. He was a pig and you are a pig, P*ul C*hen
Ariel Ben Yochanan
Israel
Victor and I replied:
Shalom Ariel,
Victor Hafichuk here from http://www.ThePathofTruth.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
Yes, as you say, you, in your fathers, did indeed kill Yeshua HaMashiach, and so was it meant to be, by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of YHWH. Yeshua was the Passover Lamb and the Jews slew Him exactly on the Passover, but as an unclean animal, a pig. Thereafter, the Jews began a vicious persecution of the first Messianic Jews to this day. And now you call us pigs and tell us that if you had the chance, you would kill us too. Understood.
I am Ukrainian, and history tells us that Ukrainians, in their country, as with so many other peoples, treated Jews as worse than pigs, torturing and slaughtering them in hate, just like the hate you have and express to us now in your rabid reply.
The Torah teaches that as you sow, you reap. Is it any wonder then what has happened to the Jews everywhere throughout history? “His blood be upon us and upon our children!” the Jews screamed in fury, as they delivered HaMashiach to the Romans for execution. And so they killed Him. And so it has been for you, even as you swore, has it not?
You remind me of Sha’ul of Tarsus, a Pharisee, who also once expressed exactly the same sentiment you do now, until Yeshua turned him around 180 degrees. Suddenly he knew the Truth and became a faithful disciple, no longer being the hateful persecutor but the loving prey of his persecutors, the Jews, who continued in their hatred for those who believed on Yeshua HaMashiach.
I too despised Jews until Yeshua took a hold of my life in 1973 at age 27 and gave me His Spirit in 1975. Since then, I have loved the Jews and have stood with and for them (that includes Israel) in spite of themselves and their hatred for me. For some evidence of our stance, of which you have been carelessly and criminally ignorant in your great bitterness, go to http://www.HarvestHaven.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://www.ThePathofTruth.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
See how you hate yourself and fester in your destruction, hating those who love you, having hated the One Who loved you so much, He laid down His life for your trespasses against the Law of YHWH.
While you despise us, we, according to the Law and the Prophets, love you. So then, who is in the right and who is in the wrong - the one who curses his friends, or the one who blesses his enemies? Perhaps you still believe hatred and murder will prevail in the end? Not according to YHWH or the Torah.
Who but YHWH knows if you will not one day be like Sha’ul? At least you are up front with your hatred, while some hide away, taking shots as cowards and leaving no possibility to return fire.
After reading at our site, I should hope you would be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for what you do both to yourself and to all Jews by your public example.
Victor
Ariel, as Victor has noted, you speak out of great ignorance of what we believe, teach, are, and have experienced. You’re missing on all counts.
There is much for you to read on http://www.ThePathofTruth.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, starting in Israel and the Jew, though certainly not limited to that section. What you call Xtianity has as little to do with Jesus Christ as what you call Judaism has to do with Moses.
Do you think Moses approves of the “Oral Teachings” and the Talmud, for examples, both of which contradict what God gave him? Talk about adding to the Bible in sin!
So, you can continue to spew your vitriol from the mental cave you have backed yourself into, or you can come out of the perverse world of your mind and expose yourself to reality.
Or Reality will come into your little cave, which is what just happened to you.
Paul Cohen
Ariel wrote back:
B"H
You still are a good Jew hater Victor, don't you worry. You are doing your best to strip Jews off their Judaism. Not something you will be proud of on Judgment Day, standing in front of your Creator.
ABY
Israel
We replied:
Ariel, what you call “Judaism” has nothing to do with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Aaron, Samuel, David, Ezra, and all the prophets of God, who rebuked the Israelites for creating and worshipping idols as you do. You have made disgusting idols of the Torah, “the Wall,” and of being Jewish itself. You worship anything but the living God of Israel.
Surely you and your fellow Torah-worshipping Jews would have stoned Moses when he smashed the Ten Commandments (written, not by the hand of man, but by God Himself), reacting as he did to your idolatries.
You would have cried foul when Hezekiah stripped you of your idolatrous Judaism:
2 Kings 18:2-5 JPS
(2) Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem; and his mother's name was Abi the daughter of Zechariah.
(3) And he did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, according to all that David his father had done.
(4) He removed the high places, and broke the pillars, and cut down the Asherah; and he broke in pieces the brazen serpent that Moses had made; for unto those days the children of Israel did offer to it; and it was called Nehushtan.
(5) He trusted in the LORD, the God of Israel; so that after him was none like him among all the kings of Judah, nor among them that were before him.
You make offerings to the Torah just like your fathers did to the serpent, which God also gave through Moses. The video you sent us depicts your vile worship of a man-made object. And you complain when God sends us to root out this heathen idolatry that destroys you?! You are confounded, hypocrite. You are fighting against God and true Judaism.
Hear what one of your allies says of your idolatrous video:
“I love this! We did it in our R.E at St.Anne's in Southampton, England! WE all loved it.. and we listened to it 4 times.”
You see, our confused Jewish friend, in your sin you are allied with idolatrous so-called Christians, those whom you loathe and revile. You have far more in common with them than you do with true Jews, like us and Hezekiah, who worship God in spirit and truth.
Your other idol-worshipping allies, the Muslims, blasphemously declare, “God has no Son.” Their abomination with these very words written within stands on your most holy place, the Temple Mount, broadcasting your stance to the world, “God has no Son!” Are you proud of the uncircumcised foreskin you display in front of the entire world, which stands on your holy place?
Don’t you know that God won’t allow you to serve Him in your uncircumcision? He sought to kill Moses over this matter (Exodus 4:24). How do you think you will escape His judgment?
God says you won’t escape, but judgment is administered through the Son, His Anointed (Christ) One:
Psalms 2:1-9 JPS
(1) Why are the nations in an uproar? And why do the peoples mutter in vain?
(2) The kings of the earth stand up, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against His anointed:
(3) 'Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.'
(4) He that sitteth in heaven laugheth, the Lord hath them in derision.
(5) Then will He speak unto them in His wrath, and affright them in His sore displeasure:
(6) 'Truly it is I that have established My king upon Zion, My holy mountain.'
(7) I will tell of the decree: the LORD said unto me: 'Thou art My son, this day have I begotten thee.
(8) Ask of Me, and I will give the nations for thine inheritance, and the ends of the earth for thy possession.
(9) Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.'
Thus we speak, stripping you and the world of its blasphemous idolatries, having been given this power and commandment by God. You can’t resist any more than a piece of pottery can resist a rod of iron.
Victor replies:
I hope I AM doing my best to “strip Jews of their Judaism," not because I hate them but because I love them. Their Judaism hates them and is destroying them.
Paul Cohen
Victor Hafichuk
http://www.ThePathofTruth.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Back to the present: Aryeh has written back with a request to discuss this matter on the forum.
would love to join your forum at the trailofpopcorn but I can't sign on.
how can we work out a free pass for direct access thereto?
that way all the soulless mouth-breathers who come to your site could talk to a real jew, try to beat up on him and still die the death of a dog.
awaiting your unsatisfactory reply
After creating this thread I’m sending Aryeh the link in order for him to respond here. But if he continues his present course of making derogatory remarks rather than addressing the substance, it’s apparent he’s already thrown in the towel and the debate is over.
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” – Socrates
Paul