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We now have Part 8 of Victor's Theo-autobiography available:

wHaT tHe LoRd HaS dOnE wItH mE - Part 8

The long night ends as the light of dawn emerges.

Good to see!

Tough, truthful, offensive to some, but hopefully accurate and edifying to all in the long run. Feel free to express your thoughts and feelings; more importantly, speak what the Lord gives you, if anything.

How could Marilyn be both spirit filled and demon possessed?


PART TWO – Pentecost to Israel (cont.) Page 2
Particle – A Book Burning
I had been collecting books. I recall Marilyn’s father giving her $60 or so (not a paltry sum for us then), which I took and spent on “Christian” books before we received the Spirit.



PART TWO – Pentecost to Israel (cont.) Page 3
Particle – Free to Seek Truth Anywhere
However, when Marilyn and I received the Spirit,....

Particle – Tongues and Interpretation
One day in March 1975, Marilyn was praying, and she began to pray in tongues. This was the first time the spiritual gifts of tongues and interpretation were manifested with us.



PART EIGHT – Day 888 to Victory (cont.) Page 12
Particle – Marilyn the Source of Evil Control
The day of that vision was 23 years from the day we were baptized in the Spirit – 8400 days in all – 1200 X 7 or 700 X 12 – rest and rulership.



PART EIGHT – Day 888 to Victory (cont. Page 11
Particle – Puzzle Pieces Placed
I began to pray and thank the Lord for the circumstances and suddenly it occurred to me that Marilyn had spiritual possession, that she was under demonic control and needed deliverance. My breath was taken away! All these years I’ve been married to a demon-possessed woman and didn’t know it?! How shocking! “Lord,” I cried, “why didn’t You tell me? How can this be? Why?”

Whenever anyone refers to a writing or the Theo-auto, please quote the words you're wondering about, in context for ease of reference and we'll take it from there, Lord willing.

And like I said, this isn't going to be easy; however, the Lord will make known what He will to those who need to know.

Yes, I have the same question as Brad. Same as, I think Marilyn didn't answer Lynn about the situation with Sean...It is not compulsory, of course, but wanted some feedback for the question.

I mean this part:

Lynn Farris wrote:Hi Marina,

I called Dennison and Sara to confirm what was said because I couldn’t really remember all of it.

I had asked about it in the car when Paul, Sara, Dennison and I were driving from the farm to Victor’s house. That was the first Dennison had heard about the prophecy because he hasn’t red that far in the theo-auto.

It was pointed out that the first part of the prophecy was true – Victor did die, though not physically and his ministry changed in a big way after that point. Apparently more about that will be revealed in Part 8 of the theo-auto.

It was brought out that the way things played out is viewed as a humbling and an exposure of many things that needed to change – Sean’s desire to take over the farm, Victor’s relying on Marilyn instead of the Lord, and relying on Sean to run the farm.

As mentioned, Victor and Paul encouraged us to ask any question we had, but I didn’t have any other questions at that point so we didn’t discuss it further. After thinking about it today, one thing I didn’t ask but has occurred to me now, is why did Marilyn add the second part of the prophecy about her and Sean? I don’t mean to put her on the spot, but if she feels free to do so, maybe Marilyn would answer that here.

I had forgotten about Lynn's question, which Marina would also like an answer for, as I'm sure others would. Perhaps you'll find it in Part 8? If not, I believe we can leave that for now. Answers will be forthcoming in other parts of the Theo-auto. Meanwhile, I've answered Brad Gifford, and Paul and Sara should get the reply up soon, along with adding it to Part 8 as an editor's note or whatever one might call it.

Brad Gifford has taken excerpts from the Theo-autobiography where I declared Marilyn received the Spirit, and he gave instances of where I said spiritual gifts were manifest through her. He also relates how I declared, at a time of conflict years later, that I saw Marilyn as demon-possessed.

Brad then asks the question, “How could Marilyn be both spirit filled and demon possessed?” While the records are used accurately, more must be explained; there can be various possibilities of what happened with Marilyn.

Many matters recorded in the Theo-autobiography need explanation, one reason being it’s an incomplete narrative. Future developments yet to be related may explain what is recorded.

The reader must also be aware that I often relate, not what I knew to be absolutely true, but how, rightly or wrongly, I felt and perceived things to be at the time of the experience. Others will most certainly have different perspectives and opinions, perhaps even more accurate. As time passes, new facts come to light, perceptions and attitudes change, and faith and understanding hopefully grow, the marvellous power of hindsight kicking in. We can be certain that, in the end, Jesus Christ judges and reveals the truth of all these things:

“For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad” (Mark 4:22 KJV).

Let me be clear: I didn’t believe that Marilyn or anyone else could be Spirit-filled and have devils at the same time. There may be the assumption that once a person receives the Spirit, they will always be Spirit-filled, but Scripture doesn’t teach that. For example:

Hebrews 6:4-9 MKJV
(4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
(5) and have tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the world to come,
(6) and who have fallen away; it is impossible, I say, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify the Son of God afresh to themselves and put Him to an open shame.
(7) (For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes often upon it, and brings forth plants fit for those by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God.
(8) But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected and is a curse, whose end is to be burned.)
(9) But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you and things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this way.

Hebrews 10:26-31 MKJV
(26) For if we sin wilfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
(27) but a certain fearful looking for judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
(28) He who despised Moses’ Law died without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses.
(29) Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy of punishment, the one who has trampled the Son of God, and who has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
(30) For we know Him Who has said, “Vengeance belongs to Me, I will repay, says the Lord.” And again, “The Lord shall judge His people.”
(31) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

To answer the question Brad asks, I can’t say with certainty that I know of anyone who has had the Spirit of God and was possessed of demons at the same time. However, I can’t claim I know this to be the inviolable rule.

Many believe Spirit-filled Christians can be demon-possessed, but they make false judgments. Those cases are invariably ones where the person possessed was not a Spirit-filled Christian.

Furthermore, those making the judgments are most often only professors of faith and not Spirit-filled believers themselves, so both the judged and those judging haven’t had the relationship with God they assumed to have - they were judging after appearances and believing men rather than God.

As well, I do know of persons who had devils, were cleansed of them, and received the Spirit of God, but then returned to evil and were subject to demonic possession once again. I can’t say it was a case of having the Spirit and evil spirits concurrently. As far as I’m concerned, they had grieved and extinguished the Spirit, as the Scriptures declare is possible (1 Thessalonians 5:19). The Lord has never shown me differently and, truly, we can only know things for certain by Him and Him Alone.

But there’s more to consider. If you wonder how one could be possessed of a devil and have the indwelling of the Spirit of God at the same time, consider how Satan was among the sons of God in Heaven while they presented themselves before the Lord (Job 1 and 2). Heaven is not all what it’s been imagined and taught to be; great and glorious, yes, but not as men surmise.

Jesus spoke of how Satan fell like lightning from Heaven, which means he had to be there to begin with. Daniel speaks of war in the heavens (Daniel 10:12-21). We also read of how the dragon and his angels were in Heaven fighting against Michael and his angels, and how Satan, the dragon, had the power to bring with him a “third of the stars in Heaven” (Revelation 12). So, things aren’t as clear-cut as has been taught. There may be both harps and tridents in Heaven, even as there have been devils and angels and sons of God there. Consider that while men didn’t know who Jesus was, devils did: “We know Who You are… the Holy One of God….”

I’ll now explain how Marilyn received the Spirit of God, which was confirmed and manifest many ways and times over many years, yet later, during a prolonged period of great conflict and fires, I declared her to be demon-possessed.

But first, I didn’t say God revealed to me for certain that Marilyn was demon-possessed. I do know that, as she acted at the time, one would surely wonder and could think so. I was shocked at the possibility, which made me re-evaluate our entire background and relationship; everything was up for review and reconsideration. What was happening was so bizarre and shocking.

I had also been persuaded doctrinally that one couldn’t have the Spirit and devils at once. When Marilyn wasn’t walking in the Spirit, but quite in the flesh, alarmingly so, it was evident I was dealing with great evil. “How could this be?” I pondered these things in a time of great conflict within and without. Wasn’t I witnessing adulterous behavior, betrayal, and enmity toward me? Wasn’t Marilyn siding against me with a man who wanted me out of the way?

Was it possible, I wondered, if one can have, and then quench (extinguish), the Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19). Doesn’t the Hebrews writer indicate so (Hebrews 6:4-9)? Was that what happened to Marilyn? Was she one who succumbed to temptation and evil, seduced by the serpent as was Eve?

In more recent years, I’ve concluded that while Marilyn had exercised control over me, as Eve led Adam in the “original sin,” her power was broken in these circumstances, and Satan was defeated in whatever part he played at that time.

The Lord turned Marilyn’s heart against me so that I might be broken of looking to her. Her power was broken, I was freed, and in the following years, Paul and I entered our ministry as the Lord had declared to me in the 80’s would come to pass.

What can I say that I know? Had Marilyn received the Spirit? Yes. Were the gifts of the Spirit manifest in her? Yes. Had she quenched the Holy Spirit? No, though God hardened her upon delivery of her prophecy to us in September 1996. Was there warfare between us? Obviously.

Marilyn will have her perspective and is free to express it. I doubt we agree on what I’ve written here, but that’s OK; the truth will be made known. And more will be revealed in future Parts of the Theo-auto, Lord willing.

Please be aware, dear reader, that in this, and all other portions of the Theo-autobiography, I am expressing how I saw things at the time, when going through great trial and difficulty. Bear with me and know that all will be made clear in following Parts of the Theo-auto, by the grace of God.

Marina and Lynn asked questions above. Victor and Marilyn have answered in our recent Sabbath meeting. That portion of the meeting is attached.

Hi Victor,

Thank you for the explanation you gave. I assisted Sara, very briefly with the T/A (just with the headings to see whether each one matched). I did ponder on certain things that were written, but they didn't bother me and I didn't feel the need to question anything. All that came over me was a very deep sadness with what took place between you and Marilyn and, my feelings for Sean were feelings of anger - which passed. I cried a lot when reading. But then, I am a kind of "cry-baby" anyway. At the end of it I believed that ALL will be revealed, sooner, rather than later.

Thank you.
Beryl.