Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

Many harbor the hope that because they are Christians, God will translate them from great tribulation and disaster, just as He saved Noah and Lot in the judgments of their day. What a rude awakening awaits so many!
Bertin

Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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you did not meet me in the flesh but i think you met me by talking with me on the phone and correspondance. im in a sort of hell and i don,t want to stay that way. consused about doctrines and churches. i hate the state im in. i don,t know how i got to get on your site. i do need gods forgiveness. repentence i did.

Paul Cohen

Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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Answer the questions in my letter, Bertin, after each numbered question, so we can see each question and the answer together. You haven't answered all the questions here.

Bertin

Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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paul you are right about all the points you made on me. you worked with me for 2 years and answered all the questions i ask and the problem is me and my wife is holding me back. thank you for your patience.

Paul Cohen

Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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Bertin, your wife isn't holding you back. You're holding yourself back, because you've never believed the truth you've heard from us and acted on it, even going back to this chat of December of 2013. Isn't this true?

10:31:47 AM:
Paul: Have you confessed this to your wife? [porn viewing]

10:31:58 AM: Bertin:
i cant

10:32:04 AM:
Paul: you need to

10:32:13 AM:
Paul: unless you want to stay addicted.

10:32:32 AM: Bertin:
maybe she will leave me or be very disappointed of me

10:34:19 AM: Sara:
Paul: You criticize her for going to church when you know better and you go with her, listening to dead preaching, and there you are in your pornography.

10:34:19 AM: Bertin:
why do i take it to god and it does not work

10:34:50 AM:
Paul: Answered by the line above.

10:35:58 AM:
Paul: You need to tell your wife, and you need to apologize to her. If she leaves you, so be it - you deserve it. Accept it.

10:36:08 AM:
Paul: Your hypocrisy is worse than your sin.

Don't you see, Bertin? You fault your wife, her church (and the churches of men in general), but you're the culprit and therefore Satan has you pinned down in your sins. Break free by confessing the truth to those you've condemned, especially your wife, and by turning from your sins, especially hypocrisy. This is the worst of sins, holding you captive in darkness to all other sins, a terrible and hopeless place.

Paul

Bertin

Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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what you said paul it is true; i deserve all what you said and if the torments of hell would be true i deserve it. i don,t have the heart to tell her and destroy her.

Bertin

Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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i can say truly to you i am born again

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Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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Then you can tell us there are no time or space barriers to the fellowship of the Spirit in Christ Jesus by those who, as sons of God, are as the wind, even though it would be wonderful to gather personally, right?

I would like to hear how you came to be born again, Bertin. We would all love to hear your story of how your life changed and how the gifts of the Spirit have been operating in your life since then. Do share your testimony with us.

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Bertin

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i have no more desire to practice sin; i think day and nigh about the lord.

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Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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Excellent Bertin,

Now here's the description of Cornelius at a certain point; (my red writing points out and counts the positive features of his life).

Acts 10:1-8 MKJV
(1) And a certain man named Cornelius was in Caesarea, [one - a centurion, a responsible man] of the Italian cohort,
(2) [two] - one devout and fearing God, [three - his house followed him in godliness] with all his household, [four - good works] both doing many merciful deeds to the people and [five] -praying continually to God.
(3) About the ninth hour of the day he saw plainly [six - saw a vision of God] in a vision an angel of God coming to him and saying to him, Cornelius!
(4) And he was gazing at him, and becoming terrified, he said, What is it, lord? And he said to him, Your prayers and your merciful deeds have come up for a memorial before God [seven - God recognized him].
(5) [eight - God gave him a personal command] And now send men to Joppa and call for Simon, whose last name is Peter.
(6) He is staying with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the seaside. He will tell you what you must do.
(7) And when the angel who spoke to Cornelius departed, he called two of his servants and a devout soldier from those who waited on him continually.
(8) And explaining all things to them, he sent them to Joppa [nine - Cornelius obeyed God's command to him].

Acts 10:25 MKJV
(25) And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped [ten - Cornelius greatly respected a man of God though he had never met or likely even personally heard of him yet].

Acts 10:30 MKJV
(30) And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour [eleven - Cornelius fasted with prayer]. And at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing.

Bertin, was Cornelius born again during this time?

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Bertin

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i think cornelius was and he obeyed god,s commandments. obede

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Hi Bertin,

Cornelius wasn't saved at that point; he wasn't born again yet. Now, you say you are born again, in other words, a new creation in Christ, a new person. How does your life as a born again compare to Cornelius', who was not born again?

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Bertin

Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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when did you receive the spirit of god

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Answer my question, Bertin.

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Bertin

Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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the seed of god is in me and i don,t have no more desire to sin and his blood flows in me

Bertin

Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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you ask too many questions and i don,t know what you want. yo sould like judge; jury and executioner.

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Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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Tell me, Bertin, are you drunk or on drugs? I grow weary of your impudence and stupidity. Go your way. I'm done with you.

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Bertin

Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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be sure to get me off you email lists. you are not a teacher; you are a mocker and an insulter who doesn.st like others to disagree with you on doctrine; i thought you were better than this but you are liar and hypocrit and a anti christ yu and paul. go your own doom

Bertin

Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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i was not drunk or on drugs; you insulted me; not with love. i dont know if you have the love of christ.

Bertin

Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

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I coule not sleep Weill all night of thé stupidity i Saïd about y ou and Paul. Iask tour forgiveness ans km question ing if km bien à gain. Thank y ou for trying to help me un Jésus name amen

Thami Putuma

Is Shincheonji a false doctrine teacher?

Post by Thami Putuma »

So I recently left a group (Called Shincheonji) which taught heavily on the book of Revelation and the end times. They believe that Jesus revealed the Word of Prophecy to a man named Lee Man Hee. Who they call The New Apostle John who testifies to what he "saw and heard". They also believe that their church is the only place where believers must go to receive salvation and no other church. And they also teach on the 144000 saints that they claim belong to their church. Anyway, I left this group as they believe The Holy Spirit are angels as they are Holy beings. And that we must believe in the New Apostle John coz he has the open reveal Word of truth that will lead us to eternal life. I left this group because I believe Jesus is the only way to Heaven. Fair enough I don't have a lot of knowledge towards the book of Revelation but that can change as God teaches me his Word. Question is have you heard about this doctrine before? it has shipwrecked my faith to such a state of confusion. are they biblical or are they twisting scriptures to suit their teaching?

Paul Cohen

Re: Why don't you believe in the rapture of the church?

Post by Paul Cohen »

"Is Shincheonji a false doctrine teacher?"

Yes, Thami, this teacher and his anti-Christ claims and movement are false. Leave behind everything they teach and learn the truth from the Lord Jesus Christ, Whom you acknowledge is the only way to Heaven. He is our Teacher and Leader - the Head of the Body, the True Assembly of God in Heaven (Hebrews 12).

Keep reading our website to learn more from the True Teacher from Heaven. Build your faith by hearing and obeying the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be purged of the lies and falsehoods that shipwreck faith.

Paul

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