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Hello,
I have stumbled apon your website after doing some research on Samuel Doctorian and his prophecies which are called the five angels of the continents. I had a look through your list of false teachers as I attended a church in Australia for many years run by Phil and Chris Pringle. I was very dismayed as I saw many influencial preachers names mentioned on this list. I ask the authors of this website if there is a list of true teachers, where is the list of men and women in Christ who are righteous and biblical. I am very interested in your opinions regarding this matter.
Yours in Christ,
Robert
Where is the list of true teachers?
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Paul Cohen
Re: Where is the list of true teachers?
“Neither be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ” (Matthew 23:10 EMTV).
We're here to point people to Him, Robert, even when pointing out false teachers. We shine the light of Christ on imposters in order that people will know and recognize the true.
Malachi 3:16-18 KJV
(16) Then they that feared the LORD spoke often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon His Name.
(17) And they shall be Mine, says the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up My jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spares his own son that serves him.
(18) Then shall you return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serves God and him that serves Him not.
Not all who profess His Name fear Him or receive His testimony.
“We are of God. He who knows God hears us. The one who is not of God does not hear us. From this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error” (1 John 4:6 MKJV).
Which are you?
Paul Cohen
www.ThePathofTruth.com
We're here to point people to Him, Robert, even when pointing out false teachers. We shine the light of Christ on imposters in order that people will know and recognize the true.
Malachi 3:16-18 KJV
(16) Then they that feared the LORD spoke often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon His Name.
(17) And they shall be Mine, says the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up My jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spares his own son that serves him.
(18) Then shall you return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serves God and him that serves Him not.
Not all who profess His Name fear Him or receive His testimony.
“We are of God. He who knows God hears us. The one who is not of God does not hear us. From this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error” (1 John 4:6 MKJV).
Which are you?
Paul Cohen
www.ThePathofTruth.com
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John Giacchetta
Re: Where is the list of true teachers?
Hi Paul
You point out the light on those that impostors in your opinion, so why not provide use with a list of those that are on the right track.
Jesus said at his time öf those born of women none is greater that John the Baptist", yeah i know it was before the start of the new testament, yetHe was prepared to make a statement.
Scripture says some ".......are apostles, prophets, pastors evangelists and teachers" so in you vast experience are there on the planet that is close to being the voice of the Holy Spirit as a teacher ?
According the scripture there has to be some teachers that preach truth. It is noted that some will fail and fall away from time to time, this why the blood of Jesus was cleans those with a contrite and repentant heart.
Are you saying that there are none ?
You point out the light on those that impostors in your opinion, so why not provide use with a list of those that are on the right track.
Jesus said at his time öf those born of women none is greater that John the Baptist", yeah i know it was before the start of the new testament, yetHe was prepared to make a statement.
Scripture says some ".......are apostles, prophets, pastors evangelists and teachers" so in you vast experience are there on the planet that is close to being the voice of the Holy Spirit as a teacher ?
According the scripture there has to be some teachers that preach truth. It is noted that some will fail and fall away from time to time, this why the blood of Jesus was cleans those with a contrite and repentant heart.
Are you saying that there are none ?
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Paul Cohen
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John Giacchetta
Re: Where is the list of true teachers?
Paul
Yes I do believe your opinion is wrong regarding some of the teachers you have labelled as false.
I have listened to Dan Mohler and definitively not false as this site claims.
Smith Wigglesworth is another I have read his writings and his faith writings are based on the word.
These 2 above I have mentioned definitely are and was totally soldout to the kingdom of heaven Jesus spoke of. IMO.
When the apostles questioned Jesus regarding a person casting out demons in the name of Jesus and he followed not after them, Jesus was accommodating and this is NOT what I have found on this site, see below.
Dan Mohler
In response to Dan Mohler 35years years ago when I was totally absorbed into the Word the things Dan Mohler is saying today I recall saying myself expect there was no internet then. The spirit that witness in Dan I can understand, see below
Apostle John wrote to be reliant upon the Him abiding in us, see below.
1 John 2:26-27
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Smith Wigglesworth
Undisputed Healings – Are you saying Satan casts out Satan like the Pharisees below
Luke 9:49-50
49And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
Matthew 12:24-30
24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. 30He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
In respect to the preachers above, Dan and Smith, they were sent by God just like you’s. I get the feeling you are a modern day Pharisee on some aspects, who believe are sent by God.
Yes, you’s speak on behalf of the Kingdom, but you and Victor are not the lone rangers on this matter, and are in NO higher esteem than anyone else bringing the king of heaven into the lives of the others.
And in the mind of Christ, all are called into Kingdom and are also called to be sent. as Jesus instructed in The Great Commission. God has NO favourites. The unconverted are lost and rebellious to Gods wish and they will answer for themselves on the day of judgement.
I have read the other posts where other believers have contested your views on the teachers that yous have labelled as false and because they ceased to respond doesn’t they were wrong and yous are right.
John Giacchetta
Yes I do believe your opinion is wrong regarding some of the teachers you have labelled as false.
I have listened to Dan Mohler and definitively not false as this site claims.
Smith Wigglesworth is another I have read his writings and his faith writings are based on the word.
These 2 above I have mentioned definitely are and was totally soldout to the kingdom of heaven Jesus spoke of. IMO.
When the apostles questioned Jesus regarding a person casting out demons in the name of Jesus and he followed not after them, Jesus was accommodating and this is NOT what I have found on this site, see below.
Dan Mohler
In response to Dan Mohler 35years years ago when I was totally absorbed into the Word the things Dan Mohler is saying today I recall saying myself expect there was no internet then. The spirit that witness in Dan I can understand, see below
Apostle John wrote to be reliant upon the Him abiding in us, see below.
1 John 2:26-27
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Smith Wigglesworth
Undisputed Healings – Are you saying Satan casts out Satan like the Pharisees below
Luke 9:49-50
49And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
Matthew 12:24-30
24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. 30He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
In respect to the preachers above, Dan and Smith, they were sent by God just like you’s. I get the feeling you are a modern day Pharisee on some aspects, who believe are sent by God.
Yes, you’s speak on behalf of the Kingdom, but you and Victor are not the lone rangers on this matter, and are in NO higher esteem than anyone else bringing the king of heaven into the lives of the others.
And in the mind of Christ, all are called into Kingdom and are also called to be sent. as Jesus instructed in The Great Commission. God has NO favourites. The unconverted are lost and rebellious to Gods wish and they will answer for themselves on the day of judgement.
I have read the other posts where other believers have contested your views on the teachers that yous have labelled as false and because they ceased to respond doesn’t they were wrong and yous are right.
John Giacchetta
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Paul Cohen
Re: Where is the list of true teachers?
John, you write:
"In respect to the preachers above, Dan and Smith, they were sent by God just like you’s. I get the feeling you are a modern day Pharisee on some aspects, who believe are sent by God.
Yes, you’s speak on behalf of the Kingdom...."
So which is it - are we God's servants or Pharisees, children of Satan? We can't be both (Luke 6:43-44). You are confounded. But we are not confounded, and speak plainly.
The difference between us is that you’ve only given us your opinion, whereas we’ve provided you with the Word of God in our writings.
You can’t compare Dan Mohler and Smith Wigglesworth to those who were casting out devils, though not in the company of Jesus. Those men were in agreement with the Lord. You and your false teachers aren't in agreement with the Lord or with us, His servants, who stand before you. You’re all following “another Jesus,” a false god made in the image of man. You are those to whom the Lord said:
John 8:42-45 MKJV
(42) Jesus said to them, If God were your father, you would love Me, for I went forth and came from God; for I did not come of Myself, but He sent Me.
(43) Why do you not know My speech? Because you cannot hear My Word.
(44) You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
(45) And because I tell you the truth, you do not believe Me.
You can’t hear our Words, John.
Here is some of what is written in “False Teachers Exposed” about Smith Wigglesworth:
“He is also similar to the ‘Word of Faith’ preacher you mention, Andrew Wommack. Wigglesworth is another ‘name it and claim it’ advocate, not being as God’s son God’s way, but as God his own way, punching and kicking people to cast out devils and forcing his will ‘in the Name of the Lord.’
Isn’t independence of God what the serpent offered Eve and the kings of Babylon and Tyre coveted (Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28)? Isn’t there a subtle difference between the true and the false?
Were there signs and wonders? So it’s reported with Wigglesworth. So what? American Indians were healed by unbelieving Spanish explorers because of soulish faith.
Mike, if it were possible to deceive the elect, the serpent would do it. He is subtle. There’s only one thing he won’t or can’t imitate, and that’s the cross. He won’t sacrifice himself for this world; otherwise this world is no longer of any value to him.
You quote Wigglesworth, 'The remarkable position of every soul is to be so inhabited by Jesus as to become a living personality of God’s ideal Son.’
If Smith was speaking of God doing the work (we’re His workmanship), true. The saints have a glorious privilege and calling, no question. However, if Smith speaks of our trying to be spiritual as Nee worked at being spiritual in his own right, then again, we have the anti-Christ spirit substituting for God’s work and, in effect, stealing His glory.
I’m not sure which he meant to be communicating in that statement. Do you know, Mike? Nevertheless we do see his fruits, which speak loudest.
The Word of God stands, which has established that these are not men of God, according to His ways and standards.
“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear” (Mark 7:16 MKJV).
Paul
"In respect to the preachers above, Dan and Smith, they were sent by God just like you’s. I get the feeling you are a modern day Pharisee on some aspects, who believe are sent by God.
Yes, you’s speak on behalf of the Kingdom...."
So which is it - are we God's servants or Pharisees, children of Satan? We can't be both (Luke 6:43-44). You are confounded. But we are not confounded, and speak plainly.
The difference between us is that you’ve only given us your opinion, whereas we’ve provided you with the Word of God in our writings.
You can’t compare Dan Mohler and Smith Wigglesworth to those who were casting out devils, though not in the company of Jesus. Those men were in agreement with the Lord. You and your false teachers aren't in agreement with the Lord or with us, His servants, who stand before you. You’re all following “another Jesus,” a false god made in the image of man. You are those to whom the Lord said:
John 8:42-45 MKJV
(42) Jesus said to them, If God were your father, you would love Me, for I went forth and came from God; for I did not come of Myself, but He sent Me.
(43) Why do you not know My speech? Because you cannot hear My Word.
(44) You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
(45) And because I tell you the truth, you do not believe Me.
You can’t hear our Words, John.
Here is some of what is written in “False Teachers Exposed” about Smith Wigglesworth:
“He is also similar to the ‘Word of Faith’ preacher you mention, Andrew Wommack. Wigglesworth is another ‘name it and claim it’ advocate, not being as God’s son God’s way, but as God his own way, punching and kicking people to cast out devils and forcing his will ‘in the Name of the Lord.’
Isn’t independence of God what the serpent offered Eve and the kings of Babylon and Tyre coveted (Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28)? Isn’t there a subtle difference between the true and the false?
Were there signs and wonders? So it’s reported with Wigglesworth. So what? American Indians were healed by unbelieving Spanish explorers because of soulish faith.
Mike, if it were possible to deceive the elect, the serpent would do it. He is subtle. There’s only one thing he won’t or can’t imitate, and that’s the cross. He won’t sacrifice himself for this world; otherwise this world is no longer of any value to him.
You quote Wigglesworth, 'The remarkable position of every soul is to be so inhabited by Jesus as to become a living personality of God’s ideal Son.’
If Smith was speaking of God doing the work (we’re His workmanship), true. The saints have a glorious privilege and calling, no question. However, if Smith speaks of our trying to be spiritual as Nee worked at being spiritual in his own right, then again, we have the anti-Christ spirit substituting for God’s work and, in effect, stealing His glory.
I’m not sure which he meant to be communicating in that statement. Do you know, Mike? Nevertheless we do see his fruits, which speak loudest.
The Word of God stands, which has established that these are not men of God, according to His ways and standards.
“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear” (Mark 7:16 MKJV).
Paul
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John Giacchetta
Re: Where is the list of true teachers?
Paul
I am able to see both Dan Mohler and Smith Wigglesworth in paradise with Jesus.
Yes, both of the 2 I have mentioned have/ had different methods and styles and thís compliments what Jesus said in response to Apostle Johns observation
49And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
In respect Smith Wigglesworth he had claim to raise 14 from the dead in the name of Jesus, and sign and wonders confirming the word in those that believe. He raised people from the dead and you say “so what”. This is the Pharisee in you speaking. You say I can't hear your words, I can hear your words I don’t believe Jesus has the same view as yours. I cannot see some of the comments you make regarding His ministers would come out of His heart and out of his Mouth.
I am accepting that Smith Wigglesworth performed the works he did under the anointing and blessing of the Holy Spirit. The methods he used were unorthodox it doesn’t mean Satan was the author of it. . Will Satan cast out Satan ?? This is what you are implying and it is simply wrong. You would tell people that got healed at Smith Wigglesworth’s crusade they were healed by Satan. This is almost blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, unbelievers have more sense than this.
The name and claim, confess and possess, believe and receive is totally inline with Faith is Substance of things of hoped.. the evidence of things not seen, and out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. There are some charlatans claiming to sow a financial seed, that prey upon believers that don't a deep understanding of the word, have perverted the faith by seeking financial gains of a wealth transfer process from the believers account into their bank account in the name of Faith.
Dan and Smith are not in this category.
In some respects you come across as a modern Pharisee as some of response are formulated like a lawyer defending your position, I cannot see some of the things you oppose being opposed by Jesus. I am not saying you are not saved, or you don’t believe, or you a servant of Satan, I just cannot see Jesus adopting your point of view/s on this matter.
Jesus came to set us free not to make us slaves to the old covenant. That doesn’t mean or I am implying we break God’s laws or commandments.
You still haven't my question whom on the planet today is a true teacher, there has to be at least 1 or scripture some are apostles, some prophets, some teachers…………….. or your site makes this scripture a Lie as it is impossible to fulfil according your views. I have seen you answer a question with a question, deflect it. Plenty of threads attesting to this.
Read below
Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Jesus acknowledged Nicodemus as Master of Israel, you are NOT above Jesus and CANNOT rule out a true teacher. Acknowledging a true teacher today doesn’t mean we follow the person instead of Christ, or the other Gobbly Dook that is implied.
Red below
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Was Jesus implying here that Peter was a false teacher and a servant of Satan, yet Jesus continued to work with him and didn’t label him false.. That the way you apply interpretation to some things.
17He saith unto him the third time, Simon,son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
I am able to see both Dan Mohler and Smith Wigglesworth in paradise with Jesus.
Yes, both of the 2 I have mentioned have/ had different methods and styles and thís compliments what Jesus said in response to Apostle Johns observation
49And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
In respect Smith Wigglesworth he had claim to raise 14 from the dead in the name of Jesus, and sign and wonders confirming the word in those that believe. He raised people from the dead and you say “so what”. This is the Pharisee in you speaking. You say I can't hear your words, I can hear your words I don’t believe Jesus has the same view as yours. I cannot see some of the comments you make regarding His ministers would come out of His heart and out of his Mouth.
I am accepting that Smith Wigglesworth performed the works he did under the anointing and blessing of the Holy Spirit. The methods he used were unorthodox it doesn’t mean Satan was the author of it. . Will Satan cast out Satan ?? This is what you are implying and it is simply wrong. You would tell people that got healed at Smith Wigglesworth’s crusade they were healed by Satan. This is almost blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, unbelievers have more sense than this.
The name and claim, confess and possess, believe and receive is totally inline with Faith is Substance of things of hoped.. the evidence of things not seen, and out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. There are some charlatans claiming to sow a financial seed, that prey upon believers that don't a deep understanding of the word, have perverted the faith by seeking financial gains of a wealth transfer process from the believers account into their bank account in the name of Faith.
Dan and Smith are not in this category.
In some respects you come across as a modern Pharisee as some of response are formulated like a lawyer defending your position, I cannot see some of the things you oppose being opposed by Jesus. I am not saying you are not saved, or you don’t believe, or you a servant of Satan, I just cannot see Jesus adopting your point of view/s on this matter.
Jesus came to set us free not to make us slaves to the old covenant. That doesn’t mean or I am implying we break God’s laws or commandments.
You still haven't my question whom on the planet today is a true teacher, there has to be at least 1 or scripture some are apostles, some prophets, some teachers…………….. or your site makes this scripture a Lie as it is impossible to fulfil according your views. I have seen you answer a question with a question, deflect it. Plenty of threads attesting to this.
Read below
Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Jesus acknowledged Nicodemus as Master of Israel, you are NOT above Jesus and CANNOT rule out a true teacher. Acknowledging a true teacher today doesn’t mean we follow the person instead of Christ, or the other Gobbly Dook that is implied.
Red below
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Was Jesus implying here that Peter was a false teacher and a servant of Satan, yet Jesus continued to work with him and didn’t label him false.. That the way you apply interpretation to some things.
17He saith unto him the third time, Simon,son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
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Paul Cohen
Re: Where is the list of true teachers?
Because Smith Wigglesworth claims to have raised 14 people from the dead, you automatically believe him, John, and present it as fact to everyone else? You’re being very irresponsible. Whatever happened to, “But let God be true, and every man a liar” (Romans 3:4 MKJV)? Where are the valid testimonies, not of what someone heard or even thought they saw, but of authenticated cases of actual corpses brought back to life?
But it really doesn’t matter what signs and wonders Wigglesworth performed - he still was a false teacher, according to his anti-Christ teachings and ways. He was an emissary of the Harlot, performing in Babylon’s churches throughout the land.
You say:
“The name and claim, confess and possess, believe and receive is totally inline with Faith is Substance of things of hoped.. the evidence of things not seen, and out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.”
You speak of the satanic faith of man, imposing his will, showing himself as God. The Faith of the saints is the will of God through Jesus Christ.
“I can do nothing of My own self. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of the Father Who has sent Me” (John 5:30 MKJV).
Be gone from us, Satan. You have met true teachers from God and are hereby judged by Him.
Paul
But it really doesn’t matter what signs and wonders Wigglesworth performed - he still was a false teacher, according to his anti-Christ teachings and ways. He was an emissary of the Harlot, performing in Babylon’s churches throughout the land.
You say:
“The name and claim, confess and possess, believe and receive is totally inline with Faith is Substance of things of hoped.. the evidence of things not seen, and out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.”
You speak of the satanic faith of man, imposing his will, showing himself as God. The Faith of the saints is the will of God through Jesus Christ.
“I can do nothing of My own self. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of the Father Who has sent Me” (John 5:30 MKJV).
Be gone from us, Satan. You have met true teachers from God and are hereby judged by Him.
Paul