After Paul sent her The Deadly Error of the Universalists, we received this response from Mary Lou:
My dear brother Paul,
Truthfully, I had thought not to answer you. After reading yours and Victor’s testimonies, I realize your second inquiry was Yah opening the door to share what is on my heart concerning the writing you sent to me.
Like you and Victor, my life has been a journey of searching my Heavenly Father and Mother and wanting to know who Yahshua really is. I have been through many forms of religion in my search as have you, and I realize the answers really lie only in the presence of El Elyon…the Most High God…the reavealer of secrets and the ONE without whom nothing is.
As I read your article “The Deadly Error of the Universalists” there was one thing that was shown to me. So I answer you with this question: In your zeal to find more of God, is all you say and do really a manifestation of His divine LOVE?
My search has led me to the discovery that relationship is the center of everything. Until we can flow in love with all, regardless of their beliefs or sins, we have really not begun to know our Heavenly Father and Mother…the One True God, or his precious son Yahshua. While one certainly has every right to disagree with anyone over doctrine, if ones fellowship is based on this, one has missed God. He loves both the just and the unjust. He speaks to each one according to his ability to hear, and in scripture you will not find that he has withheld his love, ever…but scripture does state that God is love…so how could He withhold that which He is? Scripture also states that there is nothing that exists without Him…and that we cannot possibly love God if we do not love our brother.
Dear brother Paul, I leave you with this thought and question:
Was it doctrine or love that drew you to God?
As we ask, God sends to us what is needed most in our lives…there is a door opening for you to know him further in spirit and in truth. Do not fear, but trust the wonderful presence of God within you…it is the time of opening to the heart realm…to love as He loves.
Flowing in Love, Light & Heaven with you,
Mary Lou
White Dove Music & Ministry
http://www.love1.de/
http://www.sigler.org/whitedove2/
http://www.angelfire.com/nc2/WhiteDove/
Paul’s reply:
Mary Lou, greetings in the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is love,
First, I must correct you about my life. My life has not been a journey seeking our “Heavenly Father and Mother,” as you put it. God spoke to me many years ago, and identified Himself to me as the Lord Jesus Christ. I have found Him of Whom the prophets spoke, because the Father drew me to Him. In Christ I have met God, and know Him.
“I write unto you, little children, because you have known the Father” (1 John 2:13 KJV).
At the time I began hearing His voice and following Him, I was also seeking “a city having the foundations of which the builder and maker is God (Hebrews 11:10).” This city is described as His bride (Revelation 21:10) and as our mother (Galatians 4:26); and because we, the saints, by His calling and grace, have sought after it, He has not been ashamed to be called our God (Hebrews 11:6). When His work was done we became that city.
Therefore you are wrong when you ask, “If in your zeal to find more of God, is all you say and do really a manifestation of His divine LOVE?” I am already with God, not looking for Him. He says you shall find Him when you search for Him with all your heart. True to His Word, He has granted me that. In answer to your question I can give you an emphatic, “Yes!” I am indeed a manifestation of divine love in all that I am and do, by the grace of God in Christ Jesus, as Paul wrote:
“According as He has chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love…” (Ephesians 1:4 KJV).
The love of God, however, in which I walk is a love this world does not know, for if it did, it would not have crucified the Lord of glory. Are you not familiar with what the religious, who presume to love, did to the Lord?
The problem here is that we are talking about different kinds of love. You are talking about the man-made love, a love of the flesh, which seeks to flow with everyone and everything, as you put it in your salutation and in this statement:
“Until we can flow in love with all, regardless of their beliefs or sins, we have really not begun to know our Heavenly Father and Mother…the One True God, or his precious son Yahshua.”
The beloved apostle writes, “Love not the world…” but you propose to flow with it. Another brother of the Lord, writes, “Be not unequally yoked (2 Corinthians 6:14),” and “What agreement has the temple of God with idols? (2 Corinthians 6:16),” but you propose to flow in love with all. Yes, God so loved the world, but you are substituting for His love a carnal love that spares the flesh, the murderer of Christ. Because you do not take up the cross, you identify with those that crucified Him. Let us tell you in love and kindness, Mary Lou: You are a murderer and are yet in your sins. That is how and why you love everyone else that is in sin, and not because you love in God’s love. You love with the love of this world, not with the love of the Father:
“Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him…” (1 John 2:15 MKJV).
How can you say that you are flowing with me in Light, if I walk in darkness, not having love, as you intimate? The Scripture says that if we walk in the light we will have fellowship with one another (1 John 1:7). You apparently have your own version of the Scriptures. Can oil flow with water? No, but water will flow with water, flesh with flesh, and you get along with the religious and all the world for this very reason. You and they are walking in the works of the flesh, in the spirit of this world, which is at enmity with God:
“…Because all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust of it, but he who does the will of God abides forever” (1 John 2:16-17 MKJV).
Yes, I speak in God’s unconditional love, just as did John the Baptist, Jesus, Paul, Peter, and all the prophets of old who told the people their sins. Why do you think they were killed? Was it because they pleased, entertained, and flowed with the world as do you, in your conditional, self-generated kind of love, or is it because they convicted the world of sin by the love of God? I share the common heritage of all saints, which is that love and zeal for the house of God. What was the evidence of Jesus’ love of truth and zeal for God? Have you forgotten? Read John 2:13-17.
If you red Our Testimonies, you should know that my calling in the Lord has nothing to do with doctrine, though I have learned true doctrine by walking in the Truth. The Universalist article I sent to you was not about doctrine, either. To those worshiping doctrine, it is, because it demolishes the foundation of error on which they presume to stand. That is why you see it as doctrinal. To those for and in the Lord, it separates truth from error to confirm them in the Way. To those in error, it turns them from the destruction they suffer under the false gospel of grace (lawlessness), to the Lord. You are one such victim of that gospel, and also a perpetrator since you teach and preach the same to others.
Repent, Mary Lou. You are in great error, worshiping Ashtoreth, the sex goddess of love, prosperity and fertility, enemy of the true God, Yehoshuah, and His righteousness. That is where you get this idolatrous “Mother” thing, something neither Yehoshuah nor others in Scripture mention once. Your love is abomination to the Lord Jesus Christ. As such, in God’s sight, you are a sorceress. Will you now receive His love, by which I speak sober words of truth to you? Yes, you will, for you have no choice but to receive it. Light is greater than darkness, and His love is greater than man’s love. Man, in his love, will crucify the Son of God (the kisses of the enemy are deceitful – Proverbs 27:6), but God, in His power, overcomes by the resurrection from the dead, because it was not possible that He should be held by death. In the same way, my love overcomes yours (faithful are the wounds of a friend – Proverbs 27:6). You will take leave of me in order to continue doing your own thing, to death, but I will carry on with God, doing His will, to life. Your works will end, but the one that does the will of God never dies. I will be there in the words of truth that I have spoken to you when you fail, and then you will know what the love of God is.
Contending for the faith once delivered to the saints, which preachers of false love have, for a time, obscured,
Paul
Mary Lou’s reply:
Dear Paul,
I forgive you for you know not what you do…
Flowing in Love, Light & Heaven with you,
Mary Lou
White Dove Music & Ministry
http://www.love1.de/
http://www.sigler.org/whitedove2/
http://www.angelfire.com/nc2/WhiteDove/
Victor’s reply:
Isaiah spoke these words by the Spirit of Christ:
“But we are all as the unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as a menstruation cloth. And we all fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away” (Isaiah 64:6 MKJV).
You are very religious, Mary Lou, with pretentious godliness. We know and see these things, because given by Jesus Christ to know and see them, to speak and warn, and to lead to the truth. We do indeed know what we are doing. You are the one in darkness.
Contending for the true faith once delivered to the saints,
Victor
Later, Mary Lou responded to Public Promoters of Falsehood Confronted Publicly:
Dear Paul,
I am saddened to see the little circle you are turning around in. Unlike our precious Yahshua, your words indicate that you are more interested in being a Kingdom Cop than a point of contact for others to experience the awesome presence of God loving through you. The new commandment Yahshua gave is to “Love one another as I have loved you”.(see below) When did he ever treat his brothers in the way you are treating yours? Have you noticed that the tribe of Dan is not mentioned in Revelation? Why do you think that is?
Though I see you are trying to do what you think is your calling by correcting everyone around you to the proper doctrine, you are truly missing the higher calling of loving others into the Kingdom. Remember, people will not often remember what you say, and only sometimes will they remember what you do, but they will never forget how they felt when they were with you. Do you think these that you write to and about are feeling the overwhelming presence, love and acceptance of God through your words? Our loving heavenly Father sees the heart of each one…I know some of these dear brothers personally and I know their heart is set on serving God with their whole being just as you believe you are doing…is it possible that God is working through them too?
So often the instruction for correction is sorely misunderstood. The biblical order is that if someone has something against YOU, leave your gift at the altar and go get things straight with them. First, you are to go personally to him. If he does not receive you, you are to go back with one or two others to resolve the issue between you. If that does not work, then you are to bring it before the body…the local fellowship where they attend. It does not appear that you have followed this but rather, it appears that you are getting some kind of
satisfaction in blasting these dear brothers over the internet to smear their character in front of as many people as you can….in front of those who do not even know them personally…and it appears that you do not know them personally either from the things you have written about them. What does this reveal about your character and theirs?
What kind of picture does this present to the rest of the world who does not know our Heavenly Father, Yahshua, the Holy Spirit in an intimate way? If you want to do something great for God, maybe you might want to leave those alone who are already seeking him and use your energy to reach those who do not know Him by allowing His love to flow through you…there is so much you could do for these who are dying because they do not know Him. Blasting those who do know Him is not the way to reach those who need to know His presence. When you have walked a while where these dear brothers have walked, you may see things from a different perspective all together…you may find that they are not so very wrong as you think…perhaps there are many mansions or dwelling places in God that you have not yet visited.
Please, dear Paul, consider my words…let us not sew division among bretheren…but rather, let us be peacemakers, speaking our truth quietly and confidently that we might be transparent vessels through which others may see the glory of our Heavenly Father as it flows through us. Let us delight in presenting ourselves before God that our minds might be renewed and we might be transformed into His likeness…please hear my voice and know that in the army of Joel, noone thrusts another, but each one walks in rank as directed by God for His divine plan which includes all…is your love large enough to embrace even those with whom you do not agree? God’s is. True fellowship is not based on doctrine but on our common love…
Love one another …
Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
Ro 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; {with…: or, in the love of the brethren}
Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Ga 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one
another in love;
1Th 3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:
1Th 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: {love as: or, loving to the}
1Jo 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. {message: or, commandment}
1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. {is born: Gr. has been born}
1Jo 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
1Jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
2Jo 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
I am praying for you,
Mary Lou
White Dove Music & Ministry
http://www.love1.de/
http://www.sigler.org/whitedove2/
http://www.angelfire.com/nc2/WhiteDove/
Paul’s reply:
There is nothing new in your latest letter, Mary Lou, that was not answered in my previous letter to you. I hope that you will read it and consider what I have already written to you. You never answered the serious matter of your idolatry of Ashtoreth in the Name of Christ and her false love that you promote, or of the false gospel that denies the cross of Christ, which gospel was exposed in The Deadly Error of the Universalists.
But, of course, you cannot answer with substance because you have none with which to answer. We see you, and, though your blind companions may be fooled, God is not. Your day of exposure and reckoning has arrived.
You mention the army that Joel describes. We are it, and you are of those in the land in front of us, with pained face, left as a desolate wilderness after we pass through you. It is all right there in the very Scriptures to which you refer me! Why do you cite His words, and then call Him a liar? Because you do not believe Him at all. Hear for yourself what the Almighty says of His day:
“The day of the LORD is near, the day when the Almighty brings destruction. What terror that day will bring!” (Joel 1:15 GNB).
“Wail; for the day of the LORD is at hand! It will come as destruction from the Almighty” (Isaiah 13:6 HNV).
“Son of man, prophesy. Say, This is what the Almighty LORD says: Cry for that day! The day is near. The day of the LORD is near. It will be a gloomy day, a time of trouble for the nations. There will be war in Egypt and anguish in Ethiopia. Many Egyptians will fall dead. People will take away Egypt’s wealth, and its foundations will be torn down” (Ezekiel 30:2-4 GW).
“That day belongs to the Almighty LORD of Armies. It is a day of vengeance when He will take revenge on His enemies. His sword will devour until it has had enough, and it will drink their blood until it’s full. The Almighty LORD of Armies will offer them as sacrifices…” (Jeremiah 46:10 GW).
“How horrible it will be for those who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for that day? The day of the LORD is one of darkness and not light. It is like a person who flees from a lion only to be attacked by a bear. It is like a person who goes home and puts his hand on the wall only to be bitten by a snake. The day of the LORD brings darkness and not light. It is pitch black, with no light. I hate your festivals; I despise them. I’m not pleased with your religious assemblies. Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings, I won’t accept them. I won’t even look at the fellowship offerings of your choicest animals. Spare me the sound of your songs. I won’t listen to the music of your harps. But let justice flow like a river and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream. Did you bring me sacrifices and grain offerings in the desert for 40 years, nation of Israel? You carried along the statues of the god Sikkuth as your king and the star Kiyyun, the gods you made for yourselves” (Amos 5:18-26 GW).
You are altogether in wickedness and perishing, Mary Lou, serving false gods in the Name of Christ. Repent. Your love is hatred of God and His words. It is sin.
Read my previous letter to you anew.
Victor’s reply:
Mary Lou, Victor here,
There are several points in your letter to Paul that can be discussed. You fault us for not dealing with others according to what you call “Biblical order.” Could you please tell us which fellowship we are to approach? You speak of a local one. Which one is that? Are we to go to our elders or theirs? First of all, one must be dealing with brethren in Christ. Are they such? Do you know? Are we to take your word for it that they are? Who are you? Do you know? You believe you are in Christ. Are you? By what definition?
I looked at your website, and have some things to say.
Concerning the characteristics of the manifestation of God, or how one feels or responds when God appears to one…
When God confronted Jacob in a dream, this was his emotional experience:
“And he was afraid, and said, How fearful is this place! This is nothing but the house of God, and this is the gate of Heaven!” (Genesis 28:17 MKJV)
Jacob’s name was changed to Israel, after whom the one nation in the world separated unto God is named to this day. Jacob is one of the fathers, not novices or children of our faith.
When Jesus Christ confronted Moses, a great prophet, who found grace in His sight, this was his reaction:
“And He said, I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God” (Exodus 3:6 MKJV).
Do you have the fear (healthy respect, awe, reverence) of God, of Jesus Christ?
Moses also reacted in this way:
“For they could not endure the thing commanded, “And if so much as a beast should touch the mountain, it shall be stoned or thrust through with a dart,” and so fearful was the sight that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake” (Hebrews 12:20-21 MKJV).
Whereas you would feel like you were taking “Ecstasy”?
When God confronted Joshua, Moses’ successor, here was his experience and reaction:
“And He said, No, but I have come as the Commander of the army of Jehovah. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth. And he worshiped and said to Him, What does my Lord say to His servant?” (Joshua 5:14 MKJV)
I take it you would dance with Him?
When Isaiah was taken before the throne of God, this was his reaction:
“Then I said, Woe is me! For I am undone; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, Jehovah of Hosts” (Isaiah 6:5 MKJV).
Mary Lou, are you a woman of clean lips?
When Daniel, highly beloved in Heaven, was visited not by God, but only by an angel, Gabriel, here was his reaction:
“So he came near beside my place. And when he came, I was afraid and fell on my face. But he said to me, Understand, O son of man, for the vision is for the time of the end” (Daniel 8:17 MKJV).
And, at another time:
“I, Daniel, alone saw the vision. For the men who were with me did not see the vision; but a great quaking fell on them, so that they fled to hide themselves. Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me. For my beauty was turned within me to corruption, and I kept no strength” (Daniel 10:7-8 MKJV).
After the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, when Saul of Tarsus first encountered the Lord, here was his reaction:
“And he fell to the earth and heard a voice saying to him, Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me? And he said, Who are you, lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom you persecute. It is hard for you to kick against the goads. And trembling and astonished, he said, Lord, what will You have me to do? And the Lord said to him, Arise and go into the city, and you shall be told what you must do. And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, indeed hearing a voice but seeing no one. And Saul was lifted up from the earth, his eyes were opened, but he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. And he was three days not seeing, and did not eat or drink” (Acts 9:4-9 MKJV).
When the beloved and Spirit-filled apostle John encountered Jesus Christ from Heaven by vision, here was his reaction:
“And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying to me, Do not fear, I am the First and the Last” (Revelation 1:17 MKJV).
There are other similar visitations recorded. It is important to consider that the Lord can and does approach us any way He pleases. Why did He do it with all these in such a way that they were overwhelmed or fearful? It was not only a matter of how they reacted, but of how He approached them.
Why am I relating these things to you, Mary Lou? I do so because what you experience and relate of God in your life is very different than what is related by those in Scripture, both Old and New Testaments, both before and after the resurrection. I have also experienced the visitations and Presence of God, and I have to say that while my experiences are not as yours, they are of like nature to those recorded in the Bible by the saints, prophets and apostles. This brings us to the question: What are you experiencing, for example, in your dream of a “dance with Jesus”? As a man of God, I tell you that what you experience is delusion.
What you refer to as love is the spiritual deception of the prince of that kind of love, the counterfeit of Jesus Christ, who seduces all those who do not have a love for the truth. I go to your site and discover that, while you profess faith in Christ and presume to be presenting that site in His honor, you are not about Jesus Christ or God; you are about Mary Lou Christianson, “the Dove,” the one with “angel fire.” “For me to live is Mary Lou,” you declare.
“I am not crucified with Christ,” you shout, “I am alive and revelling in my flesh in the Name of Jesus Christ, and in the name of love, but I could not care less for Him. I despise Him. I care about me! I love myself, and my webpage proves it. It is all about me, me, me, and I love it!”
You have no business telling us how we ought to deal with others when Jesus Christ sends us to do His work. You have no understanding of their hearts, ours or God’s. You are presumptuous and entirely out of place. You come against the One you profess to love, believe and serve.
You also deceive others. You are seductive, but you do not deceive God and you do not deceive or seduce His servants, which we are. We know you, little bride of Satan, and in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, God of Heaven and earth, I rebuke that spirit of antiChrist, that spiritually lustful, fornicating pretender that presumes to represent the interests and will of God. You are devilish in all that you feel, think, say, do, and are. Yours is not the love of God but the love of Ashtoreth, the sex goddess of success, prosperity, sensual love and fertility. You display yourself as a goddess, a heroine, someone who deeply understands and truly cares. You understand nothing and care nothing. You are a selfish woman with an agenda to serve yourself, no different from Simon and Elymas.
Mary Lou, you have been flitting around with your angel wings and feathers, but now I have, by the sword of God, His Word, clipped them, so that you will fly no more. You are grounded. In the Name of the Lord, I confront you and call on Heaven, in which authority I stand, live and breathe, to bring your vile, adulterous works to an end. Enough is enough. You open your mouth wide to speak adulterous words, smooth as oil and sweet as honey, the words of a harlot. We are not ignorant of your devices, be they witting or otherwise. You are indeed a “transparent vessel” to us, and it is not the glory or love of God the Father that flows from you, but a spirit that is contemptible before God and His holy angels. It is putrid, Mary Lou. Repent of your wicked self-righteousness and false love. You impress many, the simple and wicked, but not the One that counts.
Exposing the counterfeit love, convincing the ungodly, and thankful for it,
Victor
Mary Lou’s response:
Dear Victor,
Those who really did not know Yahshua rejected him. I forgive you and pray that God will reveal the hearts of these fine brothers and me to you. Please remove my name from your mailing list, and let us both agree to part in peace and in trust that God will show us what we need to see through the blessed Holy Spirit, our teacher and counselor.
Sincerely,
Mary Lou
Victor’s reply:
I am not at all dear to you. You reject Yahshua in all your ways. God has revealed your heart and that of your “fine brothers” to us, and that is why we have spoken. Your prayer is abomination to Yahshua HaMashiach.
We are not at all agreed, and if you go in peace, the Lord has not caused us to speak. Your peace has been taken from you, as we have said. The stench of your self-produced righteousness and spirituality will be done away, and you will be utterly ashamed of yourself. There is nothing sincere about you, Mary Lou, except for your pretensions and self-exaltation.
We do remove you from the mailing list, according to your request.
Victor