I Am God
Without faith in, and obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ, men act as their own gods. Trying to cope with the evil fallout of their independence from God, some will even double down and try to exercise power and control as if they are Almighty God. Tasting some “success” with a proactive and positive attitude, they then set themselves up as teachers and lead others into destruction.
We submit to our readers as a warning, as we do with many false teachers, a Facebook conversation some of us at ThePathofTruth had with Paul Cooper of www.iampaulcooper.com. We recently learned of him in a personal visit from my nephew Nathan Hafichuk. Some time ago, he adopted Paul Cooper as his “life guide” or spiritual mentor. As a result, there was a major conflict of spirit, doctrine, and understanding between Paul and Nathan with their philosophy on the one hand, and us who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ on the other.
It’s remarkable how Nathan and Paul have been so molded into one in spirit. They speak and even look alike. They have received a spirit that is highly proud and independent, so much so that it is its own god and recognizes no other spiritual authority than itself, not even God Himself, not even in part. It insists its judgment, authority, and word alone are perfect and final. It is also evident how this spirit speaks to someone as though facing itself in a mirror. The arrogance and contradiction are quite amazing – purely anti-Christ.
You’ll note that while Paul Cooper speaks of knowing his “stance with the Lord Jesus,” he absolutely refuses to confess that Jesus Christ is his Lord and Lord of all.
“Therefore I make known to you… that no one can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Spirit” (1 Corinthians 12:3 MKJV).
Victor
We talked to Nathan in person a week or two before Victor contacted Paul Cooper on Facebook. Nathan was asked if he believed Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead. He said, “Yes.” But when asked if Jesus was God he essentially replied, “No, He came to show us the way to do what He did and to be as He is.” In other words, every one of us is the same as Christ and only needs to exercise the same innate power Jesus had to manifest God.
We are all God, Nathan was saying, Christ’s equal, which means He isn’t our Lord or Savior. Nathan told us his personal mission was to show people how to be God and their own saviors. We asked Nathan if he had ever heard of anyone else in all of history other than Jesus Christ who had raised themselves from the dead. He admitted he hadn’t.
We note that both Paul Cooper and Nathan speak of “my human.” We discern this to be the devil boastfully speaking of its possession of these persons. It cannot go well for these men or for any of their followers who fall for this delusion.
Here are some comments from our Facebook conversation (full text below) with Paul Cooper, encapsulating what was said to him.
Victor had asked Paul: “Do you declare that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Lord of all?”
Paul wouldn’t answer. At one point he said: “Look Victor, just because you found something in the bible that you believe make you right and other people wrong doesn’t meant that you get to go around and demand that people agree into your frame.”
Paul Cohen: We’re not talking about the Bible. We’re talking about the Lord Jesus Christ. Do you submit to Him as Lord?
We see your stance, Paul, and it is anti-Christ. That is, you’ve put yourself in the position of Christ, serving as your own god and teaching others to do the same. This won’t end well for you or for them.
So we’re on your side, while you’re against yourself because you’re against God, the Lord Jesus Christ. Otherwise, you’d confess Him as Lord without hesitation, gladly and with joy. You are a proud man. Pride goes before a fall.
Paul Cooper: I don’t owe you or any man a confession.
Paul Cohen: You owe it to Christ, Paul, which is the problem for you. You aren’t willing to concede that He, and not you, is God.
Victor Hafichuk: See, Paul, that your stance is, “I can do no wrong and you can find no fault in me. Your judgment is all in your faulty perspective, something that is totally foreign to me.”
Yet you refuse to confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Lord of all. None of this would have happened if you were to take the way of peace and humility, but you just couldn’t, could you? So why pretend to have no problem with the Name, “Jesus,” when you refuse to acknowledge Him as your Lord? Unless, of course, as the apostle Paul suggests for some, you worship another Jesus?
Martin Van Popta: You’re a phony, Paul Cooper, a big fat phony. First, you persuaded yourself you were in control and now you presume to help others. You are blind and have persuaded other blind men to trust you and follow your lead.
You have all fallen into a pit of delusion and self-aggrandizement.
What you offer and teach others is a spirit of Pride and Self-Confidence. You teach people to believe in themselves and the words of their own mouth, as though they can speak their own perspective into being.
The irony is that while you teach others that they can be their own god, you know and take pleasure in the fact that they worship you.
Nathan is a carbon copy of you, and worships your teachings. Your doctrine says, “Fear nothing”, when the true doctrine says, “fear God”. As a result, you have both fallen into the hands of the Living God.
You have so lifted yourself up on makeshift stilts that you feel no hesitancy to mock God as if he were your subordinate. And since you presume to be above God Himself, you have to strategize ways to maintain your “power”, because you are terrified of not being in control.
Paul, your perspective can’t alter reality, and the reality is written in the Scriptures clearly.
Gal 6:7 Do not deceive yourselves; no one makes a fool of God. You will reap exactly what you plant.
Gal 6:8 If you plant in the field of your natural desires, from it you will gather the harvest of death; if you plant in the field of the Spirit, from the Spirit you will gather the harvest of eternal life.
and
Heb 10:31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God!
Victor Hafichuk: We have all spoken good words for your potentially immense, unimaginable benefit, Paul. The ball’s in your court now. Thus far, you’ve taken it all as grave assault and insist we play by your rules rather than the Court Owner’s.
You’ve had a traumatic life and instead of looking to your Lord and Savior, you decided to go it alone and make yourself in your own image. That’s where you went so wrong and were thus captured by a vicious demon that steadfastly holds you prisoner.
You are now so without excuse. Continue in your self-aggrandizement, “enlightenment,” and “authority” with others and see where it ends. We know, and I suspect you do, too, but your pride, stubbornness, and rebellion won’t allow you to stop.
https://www.facebook.com/pjacooper
Victor Hafichuk The Scriptures, written by wise men as inspired by the Holy Spirit of God, declare the following, among many other things relevant to your doctrine and philosophy:
“Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says Jesus is a curse, and that no one can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Spirit” (1 Corinthians 12:3 MKJV)
Twelve times, I called on your disciple look-alike, Nathan Hafichuk, to confess Jesus Christ is Lord of all and He could not do it. This is your willing fruit, deep calling to deep.
Remarkably, Nathan has a false front and you have one as well. No projection here, boys. You are both hurting badly and you put on quite a show that can fool many but you can’t fool God. You are anything BUT free for only Jesus Christ, Who Is the Truth, can make anyone free:
“Therefore if the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed” (John 8:36 MKJV).
All Nathan could do was mock, elude, and condemn the Gospel as “crap.” That is your fruit, Paul Cooper, not that Nathan is less guilty than the tree.
The God of the Holy Scriptures, the Risen, Present Lord Jesus Christ, Almighty God is your only hope, which hope is fulfilled in humbling your proud, self-assured souls, turning from your own nonexistent virtue and bowing at His feet. There is NO OTHER WAY:
“And there is salvation in no other One; for there is no other name under Heaven given among men by which we must be saved”
(Acts 4:12 MKJV).
James Sorochan Amen!
Martin VanPopta Yes, Amen!
Victor Hafichuk Not that we shouldn’t verbalize it, but I suspect the word, “amen” is not one these circles are all that comfortable with. Am I right? It “smacks of organized religion and old school”?
Martin VanPopta Yes, good point. I could say instead, I wholeheartedly agree, because I do wholeheartedly agree.
Paul Cooper Hi Victor, no discomfort with the word Amen or Jesus here. However greeting me with judgement doesn’t put you in the category of a follower of Jesus. I know too many men who misinterpret Jesus’s words to accept judgement such as you are casting at face value. Blessings.
Paul Cooper Given the amount of trauma that you are responsible for in Nathan’s life Victor I’m not surprise that he wan’t willing to agree into your frame.
Victor Hafichuk Paul, I do know you aren’t confessing Jesus Christ is Lord. You acknowledge a historical man and perhaps a person in spirit but you haven’t known Him and don’t now.
I know Him, and by Him, I know you, so you needn’t get into categorizing by your finite judgment, while you criticize me for judging right judgment. That’s another thing about you and yours – you so contradict yourselves, doing the very things you are yourselves guilty of.
Seeing you accuse me of wrongly judging, how is it you’ve come to conclusions about my relationship with Nathan without hearing the other side? Even the “unenlightened” of the world know better?
Marilyn Hafichuk Paul Cooper, have you heard our side of the story? Of course not, but you’re quick to judge here without all the facts.
Paul Cooper How do you know what I know or don’t know Victor?
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cooper, “Jesus,” no, but the Lord Jesus Christ? Can you declare before us all that Jesus Christ is Lord of all?
Paul Cooper Who are you to demand a confession from me?
Victor Hafichuk Paul, not difficult. Now, prove me wrong and answer the question. I’d like to be wrong here.
Paul Cooper I don’t need to prove you wrong.
Paul Cooper I’ve got nothing to defend.
Victor Hafichuk Testing the spirits here as the apostle John by the Holy Spirit of God counsels us to do
Paul Cooper As am I.
Victor Hafichuk Why would you not exult at declaring Jesus Christ is Lord if you knew it to be so? I know of no soul that wouldn’t declare Him so if they believed on Him as Lord?
Victor Hafichuk Your problem, Paul, is that you use your own finite wisdom, knowledge, and understanding to test. That can never suffice for Truth’s sake.
Paul Cooper You are a man and I am not subject to your rule Victor thus I am not compelled to declare or exalt anything simply because you are demanding it.
Victor Hafichuk Let me then ask you a simple question, without demand? Do you believe and declare that Jesus Christ is Lord, Almighty God?
Paul Cooper I know my place with God and The Lord Jesus. I have no need to answer to you.
Martin VanPopta “Given the amount of trauma that you are responsible for in Nathan’s life Victor”.
Where did you get the idea that Victor was responsible for trauma in Nathan’s life? Shouldn’t you know better than to take a troubled individual’s word as truth without a second witness?
Victor Hafichuk So you do confess that Jesus Christ is YOUR Lord and Lord of all? That’s wonderful!
Paul Cooper Victor your demands here are implicit. You don’t get to control what I say or declare. If you are truly curious about my views I suggest you approach me with humility and respect and a desire to understand my perspective.
Victor Hafichuk Do you declare that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Lord of all, Paul? If you are His, you’ll be more than happy to do so, without shame, hesitation, suspicion or prideful ego that you’re being confronted. So who needs humility here?
Marilyn Hafichuk Martin VanPopta, even Nathan didn’t know all the facts as we found out in discussing things with him.
Paul Cooper Once again Victor, I will not be coerced into declaring anything.
Victor Hafichuk Exactly so, Marilyn, but here is Paul judging us while accusing us of judging, his source being a troubled soul who was not informed himself of all that was happening. How’s that, Paul?
Victor Hafichuk No coercion here; just establishing some status facts here. Why so defensive, Paul?
Victor Hafichuk No need for it.
Victor Hafichuk Paul, Is it not evident for those with any rational understanding that you aren’t at all comfortable with your stance?
Paul Cooper Look Victor, just because you found something in the bible that you believe make you right and other people wrong doesn’t meant that you get to go around and demand that people agree into your frame.
Victor Hafichuk I’m not asking you to agree, Paul. Why the judgments, assumptions, and defensiveness? Just establishing some facts here – getting to know one another better or confirming what we already know.
Paul Cooper Martin VanPopta who are you to judge Nathan as troubled?
Paul Cohen We’re not talking about the Bible. We’re talking about the Lord Jesus Christ. Do you submit to Him as Lord?
Paul Cooper What I’m not comfortable with is your approach Victor. I’m very comfortable with my stance.
Dennison Rivera What is your stance Paul Cooper?
Paul Cooper You’ll see.
Martin VanPopta Why would Nathan have sought out your services if he wasn’t troubled? Nathan openly admitted that he was a mess when he went looking to you for help.
Editor: It just occurred to me that when Paul Cooper said, “Who are you to demand a confession from me?” he could have been answered thus:
Nobody’s asking you for a confession of sin or fault, Paul; we’re calling for (not demanding) a positive confession, one we all perfectly owe the Lord of lords with our lives by His blood. Your willingness to make such a confession would be proof positive that we have something potentially good to work with in light of your statement about knowing your “place with God and the Lord Jesus”. Your refusal to acknowledge your great debt to the Savior of the world, Whom you call “Lord,” demonstrates we are in diametrical opposition to each other.
Marilyn Hafichuk Paul Cooper, who are you to judge that Nathan wasn’t troubled?
Paul Cooper Seriously Marilyn?
Marilyn Hafichuk Yes, Paul.
Dennison Rivera Paul Cooper, ok? Can you tell me or are you refusing to tell me.
Paul Cooper I’m refusing to tell you Dennison. You’ll have you use your powers of observation and figure it out. The life I live is evidence of my stance. It doesn’t need defending.
Dennison Rivera I’m not asking you to defend anything. I’m asking what you believe is so I can be aware of it. It’s quite simple. What’s your problem?
Martin VanPopta Why would Nathan have sought out your services if he wasn’t troubled?
Paul Cooper Lot’s of people just want another perspective. Seeking help has nothing to do with being troubled.
Ronnie Tanner Paul, you said Nathan had trauma in his life yet you condemn others for recognizing he was troubled?
Paul Cooper I had trauma early in my life to Ronnie. That doesn’t mean I’m troubled now.
Dennison Rivera Of course your troubled. You can’t even answer a simple question without cowering.
Paul Cohen We see your stance, Paul, and it is anti-Christ. That is, you’ve put yourself in the position of Christ, serving as your own god and teaching others to do the same. This won’t end well for you or for them.
So we’re on your side, while you’re against yourself because you’re against God, the Lord Jesus Christ. Otherwise, you’d confess Him as Lord without hesitation, gladly and with joy. You are a proud man. Pride goes before a fall.
Paul Cooper Cute Dennison. I’m not cowering, that’s why I still haven’t answered your question or blocked you.
Dennison Rivera Paul Cooper your tactics are obvious. Your cowering by not revealing what you believe. Why would you block me anyways? Because I’m asking you what you believe? Your just avoiding anything that exposes what you believe? Why?
Paul Cooper Whatever you say Ronnie. You’re free to create whatever picture of me that you’d like in your mind. Doing so will ultimately only impact you negatively.
Victor Hafichuk Paul, so Nathan was fine, just looking for another perspective? So I didn’t traumatize him, after all, or he got his life together before he came to you?
Paul Cooper I’m happy to reveal what I believe to people who are approaching me with openness and sincerity. That’s not what I’m experiencing here so I’m not choosing to open simply because a group of people I’ve never met are demanding it.
Paul Cooper Where do you guys come from where you think treating people like this is ok?
Victor Hafichuk I can tell you this: You and Nathan are “two peas in a pod,” same spirit, same refusal to acknowledge Jesus Christ is your Lord and Lord of all. That says it all, Paul.
Marilyn Hafichuk We’re all open and sincere, Paul
Paul Cooper Forgive me if your written assurances in the comments here aren’t convincing Marilyn.
Victor Hafichuk Fully open and absolutely sincere we all are here, but for you, Paul. So simple!
Paul Cooper You’re free to come to your own conclusions here Victor.
Victor Hafichuk Are you making a judgment on Marilyn, Paul?
Victor Hafichuk No?
Paul Cooper Am I supposed to somehow recognize your group’s behavior as supportive Victor?
Victor Hafichuk See, Paul, that your stance is, “I can do no wrong and you can find no fault in me. Your judgment is all in your faulty perspective, something that is totally foreign to me.”
Paul Cooper The approach you are all taking feels aggressive and demand. It does not feel Christlike at all.
Victor Hafichuk That’s just your perspective that you’re projecting on us.
Paul Cooper No Victor, this is your perspective that you are projecting on me. “I can do no wrong and you can find no fault in me. Your judgment is all in your faulty perspective, something that is totally foreign to me.”
William Woeger But you don’t know Christ, Paul Cooper, and that’s a reality you’re blind to.
Victor Hafichuk As for aggressiveness, I fully concur, according to:
The wicked flee when no man pursues; but the righteous are bold as a lion. (Proverbs 28:1 MKJV)
Paul Cooper I was simply stating my experience and you are interpreting it as projection.
Victor Hafichuk So perhaps you can experience something new without feeling so intimidated? Your fear hampers you.
Paul Cooper I’m not fleeing so…….
Marilyn Hafichuk Paul, Victor‘s original question to you was, “Can you declare before us all that Jesus Christ is Lord of all?”
Do you know why your were unable to answer that simple question?
Victor Hafichuk Yet you refuse to confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Lord of all. None of this would have happened if you were to take the way of peace and humility, but you just couldn’t, could you? So why pretend to have no problem with the Name, “Jesus,” when you refuse to acknowledge Him as your Lord? Unless, of course, as the apostle Paul suggests for some, you worship another Jesus?
Paul Cooper Marilyn Hafichuk I’m 100% able to answer the question. I’m just 100% choosing not to.
Marilyn Hafichuk Don’t believe you, Paul.
Victor Hafichuk I believe he can answer; it’s just a matter of how Paul would answer, and he can’t answer it the way he knows he ought.
Paul Cooper Victor, that question is often used as a veiled attempt to hold another person in judgement. I’m not willing to get into that kind of power struggle with someone who I don’t know and have no understanding of how they interpret the Bible.
Paul Cooper I don’t start relationships with people by submitting to their demands, sorry.
Marilyn Hafichuk How is that question a veiled attempt to hold another person in judgement?
Victor Hafichuk You’re fleeing, Paul. You’re reluctant to be simply honest. You’re afraid of what men will do to you and so you refuse to reply.
Victor Hafichuk If you don’t know us, why are you judging us if one is truly disqualified from judging by lack of knowledge of that person or persons?
Paul Cooper Now I’m judging you?
Victor Hafichuk Aren’t you, Paul?
Paul Cooper At this point I’m getting amused at how frustrated you seem to be getting that I won’t play your little game.
Marilyn Hafichuk How is that question a veiled attempt to hold another person in judgement?
Victor Hafichuk Really! Now, that’s the compassion of Christ or “Christlikeness,” isn’t it – being amused that we would want you to declare Him as Lord and you adamantly refuse to do so?
William Woeger if you believe Jesus is Lord, what does it matter how another will judge you? why refuse to boldly declare what you believe for fear of judgement?
Paul Cooper Typically Marilyn, someone says, “Do you acknowledge The Lord Jesus as our saviour?”
The person asking has an idea about who Jesus is and what it looks like to follow Jesus. If the person the question is directed to simply answers the question “yes”. They are tacitly agreeing into the questioner’s frame of mind. That’s risky because it puts the person asking the question in a position of power over the person answering the question. As the relationship progresses the person who originally asked the question feels justified in judging the person who answers behavior.
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cooper No judgment here? “Given the amount of trauma that you are responsible for in Nathan’s life Victor I’m not surprise that he wan’t willing to agree into your frame.”
Paul Cooper You tell me Victor, do you feel judgment reading that statement?
Marilyn Hafichuk That’s totally ridiculous, Paul. When I say I know Victor and ask someone else if he knows him, too, is that having some kind of power over them if he says he does know him?
Paul Cooper Does Victor’s name mean the same thing to you as Jesus’s Marilyn?
Victor Hafichuk Wow, Paul, so you fear being subject to anyone simply by honestly answering their simple question? Where’s the power, peace, and security in that?
And certainly, your position is not one for Jesus Christ, is it? He declares that those who confess Him as Lord before their enemies, He will confess before the Father. But you are perfectly reluctant to do so.
As to your wording…not quite accurate. We didn’t use the word, “saviour,” though we believe it, but “Lord.” That’s where it sticks in your throat, Paul, according to the Scriptures that are written by men far wiser than you are in your own “judgment.”
Marilyn Hafichuk I do know Jesus personally. All those who know Jesus as Lord and Saviour are in agreement and no one has power over anyone else. We love Him and we love one another.
Paul Cooper I can do this all day Victor. Using your beliefs about the bible to manipulate other people may work where you live but it won’t work on me.
Martin VanPopta What you offer and teach others, Paul, is a spirit of Pride and Self-Confidence. You teach people to believe in themselves and the words of their own mouth, as though they can speak their own perspective into being.
The irony is that while you teach others that they can be their own god, you know and take pleasure in the fact that they worship you.
Nathan is a carbon copy of you, and worships your teachings. Your doctrine says, “Fear nothing”, when the true doctrine says, “fear God”. As a result, you have both fallen into the hands of the Living God.
You have so lifted yourself up on makeshift stilts that you feel no hesitancy to mock God as if he were your subordinate. And since you presume to be above God Himself, you have to strategize ways to maintain your “power”, because you are terrified of not being in control.
Paul, your perspective can’t alter reality, and the reality is written in the Scriptures clearly.
Gal 6:7 Do not deceive yourselves; no one makes a fool of God. You will reap exactly what you plant.
Gal 6:8 If you plant in the field of your natural desires, from it you will gather the harvest of death; if you plant in the field of the Spirit, from the Spirit you will gather the harvest of eternal life.
and
Heb 10:31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God!
Paul Cooper I’m glad to hear that Marilyn.
Victor Hafichuk Paul, why dodge the question by asking another?
Victor Hafichuk I do note that you will not answer questions. Why is that? You say it’s our fault. Is it, really?
Paul Cooper What is it exactly that you all need to feel right or justified about right now?
Paul Cooper Why would I answers questions before any attempt to connect has been made?
Victor Hafichuk No need for psychoanalysis, Paul. We simply ask you to just answer the original question and you flee.
Victor Hafichuk You remain present but stick your index fingers in your ears. That’s fleeing.
Paul Cooper I’m not fleeing. I’m still here engaging. I’m just not subjecting myself to your demands.
Victor Hafichuk We press, that’s aggressiveness, and with good cause. We are not intimidated or reluctant to answer anything from you.
Victor Hafichuk Paul, why protect yourself by declaring you have on a suit of armor of your own imagination when it’s plain to others that you’re naked?
Paul Cooper I’m not acting like I need you to answer any questions. Especially not in a certain way.
Paul Cooper You aren’t really asking a question when you’ve already decided what the right answer is. Your question is a trap and I’m not falling for it.
Victor Hafichuk Children flee, not by running necessarily, but by shutting their eyes and minds. We see a child here, except for one major difference.
Paul Cooper If you are actually friends with Jesus he’s not going to like you using his name this way.
Paul Cooper You see what you are Victor.
Martin VanPopta How do you know that’s true, Paul? (regarding the use of Jesus’ name)
Marilyn Hafichuk Paul, you don’t know the Living Lord Jesus Christ, so you don’t know anything about what He likes.
Victor Hafichuk So what are you afraid we would do to you if you were to confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Lord of all?
I already said that if you did or could do that, it was a wonderful thing. Why are you afraid then?
Paul Cooper Would someone who know him make a statement like you are making Marilyn?
Martin VanPopta How do you know that’s true, Paul? (regarding the use of Jesus’ name)
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cooper, how can you be Jesus Christ’s judge of character when you’ve never met Him?
Victor Hafichuk How can you tell how He would look upon Marilyn and her statements or anyone or anything else for that matter, not knowing Him?
Paul Cooper Victor Hafichuk you keep assuming I’m afraid Victor. If I was afraid I would have run or disengaged.
William Woeger you’re not engaging, Paul, you live in fear. you hold onto this illusion of power, that you can somehow easily lose by answering a question of another. you’re confidence is made up. you have nothing real, grounded in imaginations.
Victor Hafichuk Now answer my questions, Paul, or is that too below your dignity?
Paul Cooper That tells me more about your worldview than anything about me William.
Paul Cooper I will not answer your questions Victor. Period.
Paul Cooper What gives you the right to demand an answer from me?
Victor Hafichuk Tch, tch, how did I know you wouldn’t?
Martin VanPopta Untrue, Paul, as William points out, you’re afraid of losing the appearance of control and so you’re bound to not running away.
Paul Cooper I must finally be getting through to you Victor. I’ve been saying I won’t the whole time.
Paul Cooper Or could that be why you are still here Martin?
Martin VanPopta I don’t believe that’s the case. I’d be quite comfortable walking away. We had to ask Nathan to leave, which was us ending the conversation, or in essence walking away.
If I have nothing else to say, I will have to leave.
Martin VanPopta We don’t have to be in control because we know that the God that we serve most certainly is.
Victor Hafichuk Martin, nailing it.
Marilyn Hafichuk Amen, Martin.
Paul Cohen He is Lord, Paul, something you are unwilling to confess.
Paul Cooper I don’t owe you or any man a confession, Paul.
William Woeger Yes, Martin.
Marilyn Hafichuk I’m done here. It’s obvious the emperor, Paul Cooper, has no clothes.
Paul Cohen You owe it to Christ, Paul, which is the problem for you. You aren’t willing to concede that He, and not you, is God.
Paul Cooper You have no way of knowing that Paul.
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cooper, really? Says who?
Paul Cooper Marilyn, leaving with an insult. Way to be an example for your “friend”.
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cooper But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.
(1 Corinthians 2:15-16 MKJV)
That’s how we can know, and here’s why you can’t know:
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cooper “These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:13-14 MKJV).
Paul Cooper Are you implying that you somehow have special access to God and that I am an natural man unable to communicate with God?
Martin VanPopta You’re a phony, Paul Cooper, a big fat phony. First, you persuaded yourself you were in control and now you presume to help others. You are blind and have persuaded other blind men to trust you and follow your lead.
You have all fallen into a pit of delusion and self-aggrandizement.
Victor Hafichuk We have all spoken good words for your potentially immense, unimaginable benefit, Paul. The ball’s in your court now. Thus far, you’ve taken it all as grave assault and insist we play by your rules rather than the Court Owner’s.
Paul Cooper Is this your way of trying to help me?
Martin VanPopta Yes
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cooper, not implying. Boldly declaring it so.
William Woeger You have nothing, Paul. A false sense of importance. You lie to yourself. No cynicism here.
Paul Cooper Ok forgive me for not recognizing your spiritual superiority at the get go.
Martin VanPopta You have to know you’re in a pit before you’re willing to receive a hand out.
Victor Hafichuk William, nor enmity toward him.
Martin VanPopta We are actually trying to help you, believe it or not, but you are too damned proud to receive it.
Paul Cooper Did you ever consider that you might just be projecting that people are in pits and then trying to help them even if they don’t need it?
Victor Hafichuk The Truth he perceives to be his enemy because living in fear and helplessness.
Martin VanPopta Cut the bullshit, Paul.
Paul Cooper I appreciate the intention to be helpful but seriously, I didn’t ask you for help and this is not objectively helpful.
Martin VanPopta We know the victory that Jesus Christ has given us over our sin and the graves they held us in. We know what the pit looks like and smells like, and are thankful not to be there.
Martin VanPopta As such we know you are in a pit.
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cooper, it is. Shall the one in the pit determine how he should be pulled from the pit he fell into and doesn’t know how to escape it?
Paul Cooper You can’t just go around projecting brokenness onto people and then trying to force them to accept your help guys. Jesus never forced his help on anyone. The had to come to him with faith in order to receive the help.
Martin VanPopta Have you considered that you might be in a pit?
Martin VanPopta Have you even entertained the thought for a moment?
Martin VanPopta Or are you so certain that you sit on the throne?
Victor Hafichuk Jesus Christ sent forth prophets and apostles to tell the people their need, their sin, and call for their repentance, did He not, Paul?
Paul Cooper Did he send you to me?
Victor Hafichuk Most certainl so.
Martin VanPopta We’re not forcing help, Paul. We’re letting you know that you need it and offering to give it.
Paul Cooper Great, then act like it.
Martin VanPopta We are.
Ronnie Tanner Paul Cooper it’s not true that men had to come to Him with faith to receive help. Ever red the account of Saul of Tarsus?
Martin VanPopta You don’t know what help looks like
Victor Hafichuk Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. (Isaiah 58:1 KJV)
Paul Cooper Yes, I know the story Ronnie. Saul became Paul.
Victor Hafichuk So again, Paul, do you judge how Jesus Christ should conduct Himself and judge you?
Ronnie Tanner Paul, was it “Christlike” for Jesus Christ to knock Saul off his horse and blind him?
Paul Cooper Are you calling yourself Jesus Victor?
Victor Hafichuk Truly, are you not the epitome of arrogance and contradiction?
Paul Cooper I am witnessing a lot of arrogance and contradiction in this moment yes. It’s coming from you and your cronies though.
Victor Hafichuk Paul, yes, I am, insomuch as He is using us as His mouthpiece in His Body, Whose members we are, to speak to you. So, yes.
Paul Cooper Great now the truth is coming clear. Your original question was not sincere because it was not based in curiosity it was based in judgement. You believe that you are an extension of The Lord Jesus with authority to cast judgement on me sent by Jesus to help me. And you’re calling me arrogant?
Victor Hafichuk “Cronies”? “Cronies”? Paul…. You’re upset, and there’s no good reason to be, none. Indeed, perfectly good reason to not be.
Paul Cooper I’m not upset. I am amused at how easily upset you are though.
Paul Cooper Why do you get to say if I have a good reason to be upset or not?
Martin VanPopta Have I been judged as an assister of evil?
Paul Cooper Is that how you’re interpreting it Martin?
Victor Hafichuk Paul, no upsetness here. Martin nailed it all in his larger reply to you, not that others have had any less to say of value. You’ve heard words today from the Lord Jesus Christ for which you’ll be held in full account, especially when resisting Him with your anti-Christ philosophy.
Victor Hafichuk We have spoken by the Lord as much as is needed for you, Paul. There it is, I’m done.
Martin VanPopta I’m sorry, Paul, I should have safely assumed that you meant crony in the friendly benevolent sense of the word.
Martin VanPopta Like in the Scriptures when Jesus and His twelve Cronies preached the gospel.
Paul Cooper crony
NOUN
A close friend or companion:
Martin VanPopta You’re a deceitful devil speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
Paul Cooper Would you rather I call you Victor’s disciple?
Victor Hafichuk Martin, still I don’t mind apologizing even to Paul for assuming it was a derogatory term.
Martin VanPopta Neat trick, Paul, how about Oxford Dictionary
crony
NOUN
informal, derogatory
Paul Cooper Deceitful because I quoted the dictionary?
Paul Cooper Same trick you’re pulling with the way you’re all using bible verses.
Martin VanPopta Deceitful because you are intentionally ambiguous and shady in your speech to leave room for slithering and evading.
Victor Hafichuk Martin, we can even give him benefit of doubt when his fruits have proven otherwise. Point conceded while the preponderance of the substance of his ostentation screams otherwise.
Paul Cooper I thought you were done Victor.
Paul Cooper Keep your word please.
Victor Hafichuk My apology once more. Changed my mind.
Martin VanPopta True.
Paul Cooper I thought you were following Jesus’s orders not your own mind.
Victor Hafichuk Had to correct something; my duty to do so, if possible. For that, perhaps I shouldn’t apologize? Perhaps I’m done now, unless you have more correction for me, Paul?
Victor Hafichuk Paul, simply His glory in earthen vessels. No credit to us and all to Him
Victor Hafichuk My, you are fighting to remain in your grave, aren’t you? So be it.
Paul Cooper Don’t use that to avoid taking responsibility for your actions Victor.
Victor Hafichuk Should I apologize for trying to help you?
Victor Hafichuk Is that a directive, Paul?
Victor Hafichuk Or genuinely friendly and wise advice? Though I have infirmity, He has none.
But I should say something more. I gave you an apology though you didn’t have it coming, and the Lord further exposed you in this.
Victor Hafichuk My cost, His glory, your shame.
Paul Cooper Take it however you like Victor. Keep in mind. You commenting on my post is the equivalent of coming into my living room. Today you’ve come into my house, accused me of being dead, the anti-christ, arrogant and deceitful. All in the name of offering me help that I didn’t ask you for.
Paul Cooper Now you’re trying to shame me.
Paul Cooper Wow. Blessings on your path.
Victor Hafichuk Paul, absolutely correct. Jesus Christ has all authority in Heaven and earth to do as He pleases with all His subjects, whether they like it or hate it. Most hate it, as you do.
Victor Hafichuk However, I should qualify the word, “accuse.” No accusation, only a declaration of that which is most certainly true.
Paul Cooper Once again Victor, it seems like you are confusing Victor the human with The Lord Jesus. They aren’t the same thing.
Paul Cooper Are you implying that you can do whatever you want with whoever you want Victor? Whether they like it or hate it?
Victor Hafichuk If God waited for men to ask before acting on their behalf, there would be no hope, not according to the Scriptures which declare that none seek after God, not one.
Romans 3:10-18 MKJV
(10) as it is written: “There is none righteous, no not one;
(11) there is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God.”
(12) “They are all gone out of the way, they have together become unprofitable, there is none that does good, no, not one.”
(13) “Their throat is an open grave, with their tongues they have used deceit, the poison of asps is under their lips;
(14) whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness;”
(15) “their feet are swift to shed blood;
(16) destruction and misery are in their way,
(17) and the way of peace they did not know.”
(18) “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cooper not implying; declaring.
Paul Cooper Are you implying that you are God Victor?
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cooper, Jesus said He was One with the Father and that His disciples would be One with Him. So it is now for me.
Victor Hafichuk Being a son of a man and growing up brings one to be a man. Being a son of God and growing brings one to become…?
Victor Hafichuk Yes, Paul.
Paul Cohen I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, Who loved me, and gave Himself for me.
(Galatians 2:20 KJV)
Paul Cooper If you are God. Why bother asking me questions Victor?
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cohen amen, and many other such Scriptures are there, of which Paul is ignorant.
Victor Hafichuk Jesus was and is God, and asks questions. Yours is a foolish and taunting one, isn’t it?
Victor Hafichuk God confronts men on their sinful state. I work with Him.
Paul Cooper Is it? Or is it just triggering the irony that you are now claiming to be God while judging me as arrogant.
Victor Hafichuk Truth can seem very arrogant to those opposed to Him.
Paul Cooper Must be why you keep accusing me of being arrogant.
Victor Hafichuk And those in darkness can be very arrogant in their darkness, thinking they know when they don’t.
Victor Hafichuk No, Paul, it isn’t.
Paul Cohen “A wise man fears, and departs from evil; But the fool bears himself insolently, and is confident” (Proverbs 14:16 ASV).
Paul Cooper Pretty fitting verse here Paul. Did you see that Victor?
Victor Hafichuk You’ve had a traumatic life and instead of looking to your Lord and Savior, you decided to go it alone and make yourself in your own image. That’s where you went so wrong and were thus captured by a vicious demon that steadfastly holds you prisoner.
Martin VanPopta yes
Victor Hafichuk We know we’re dealing with Satan here.
Paul Cooper Ok Victor, you’re trying to save me from my “vicious demon” now?
Paul Cohen You are confident in yourself, Paul. We are confident in Jesus Christ.
Martin VanPopta Agreed
Victor Hafichuk He’s your lord as you’ve chosen. And he is the liar, murderer and destroyer, the great deceiver. You are totally his.
Paul Cooper The guy who just called himself God called me Satan. Should I take that seriously?
Victor Hafichuk Paul, letting you know your true state, yes.
Paul Cooper Well, Martin agrees…..It must be true.
Paul Cohen You have no fear of God. But that will change. He is victorious.
Victor Hafichuk Paul, yes.
Martin VanPopta It’s not true because I agree. It’s because it’s true that I agree.
Paul Cooper I’m glad you guys are coming to consensus. You can all agree that I’m the devil then you won’t have to reevaluate your own world view.
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cooper Yes
Victor Hafichuk Paul Cooper Yes
Paul Cohen Nothing for us to defend, because we are dead with Christ. He is all.
Victor Hafichuk But are you really glad? We know you only mock. So be it.
Paul Cooper I’m really glad. It’ll take you guys coming to some consensus that I’m evil for you to feel safe enough to disengage this conversation. Since I’m getting bored it made me glad that you guys might finally be winding down.
Paul Cooper You can read insult into it if you like Victor.
Victor Hafichuk You are now so without excuse. Continue in your self-aggrandizement, “enlightenment, and “authority” with others and see where it ends. We know, and I suspect you do, too, but your pride, stubbornness, and rebellion won’t allow you to stop.
Victor Hafichuk I believe I’m done now, though I erred in thinking so earlier.
Paul Cooper Is that supposed to scare me? Do these intimidation tactics really work anymore?
Paul Cohen “He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in Him.
(Colossians 2:15 ESV)
Paul Cohen Thank You, Lord Jesus!
Martin VanPopta The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise. Psalm 111:10
Not trying to intimidate you, Paul, but rather trying to show you that it is good to fear God and live!
Dennison Rivera Paul Cooper, may the Lord rebuke you.
Paul Cooper I thought Paul just said that you are all already dead? Which is it that you are advocating, life or death?
Paul Cooper Martin, let me be more clear. You aren’t intimidating me. I’m simply pointing out that you are using manipulation tactics designed to intimidate another person into agreeing with your perspective.