In response to our conversation with Daniel, Larry Smith wrote:
Dear Victor and Paul,
Having read your emails to and from Daniel I am reminded of a story.
The Preacher scolded the congregation for not obeying the message from “those who have the rule over you.” One guileless teen ignorantly asked why the rulers’ words seemed different from what she read in her Bible. Sternly the Preacher warned her that her salvation was in jeopardy unless she submitted to the rulers’ words as the two rulers were selected by the Holy Spirit and filled with His words whether or not their words were different from the Bible.
In less than a year the teen grew too frustrated at trying to match the leaders’ words with her Bible. She gave up. Committed suicide and no longer plagued the leaders with her inquiries.
A few days later the deceased teen’s Dad drove a dump truck on to the yard of each leader and backed up to their porches before making his dump. The Preachers each rushed to their front door when they heard the truck. “Why did you dump this garbage all over my porch?”
“Garbage? It’s not garbage. It is exactly what you told my daughter and continue to tell your entire congregation. Manure.”
Each gives what he has. I hope you learn about the Grace of God before you meet him, Victor and Paul.
Just a sinner saved by Grace,
Larry Smith
Victor and Paul’s reply:
Hi Larry,
We surely need some context here to your story.
There are preachers who scold in unrighteousness, of which there are so many, and preachers who scold in righteousness, of which there are so few. Of the latter, our brothers Peter and John the Immerser are two examples of many in Scripture:
Acts 8:20-23 MKJV
(20) But Peter said to him, May your silver perish with you, because you have thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
(21) You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God.
(22) Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you.
(23) For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity.
Luke 3:7-8 MKJV
(7) Then he said to the crowd that came forth to be baptized by him, O generation of vipers! Who has warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
(8) Therefore bring forth fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father. For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.
There are those preachers who insist one ought to believe and obey them whether their words agree with Scripture or not, of which there are many, and there are those whose true desire is that their hearers heed God’s Word, walk in the Truth, and never believe anything contrary to His Word. Our beloved brother John is an example of the latter in the Scriptures:
“I rejoiced greatly that I found your children walking in truth, as we have received command from the Father” (2 John 1:4 MKJV).
“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house, nor speak a greeting to him. For he who speaks a greeting to him is partaker of his evil deeds” (2 John 1:10-11 MKJV).
There are those who rule in righteousness, as God’s anointed, even as the Scriptures declare (Hebrews 13:17), and there are those who presume to rule by God when they have nothing to do with Him.
Who is to know the difference? Who will be the judge? There are those who think the preacher’s words are not in agreement with the Scriptures and those who think otherwise. And either of those could be right or wrong.
On all of these things, thus far, I expect you would agree; perhaps not.
So the preacher to whom you refer called on his congregation to believe and obey him, whether or not what he said was in agreement with the Word of God. By God’s grace, we do not do that. Are you suggesting a comparison between us? Do you have any indication that we do such a thing? You give no substance for this insinuation. Therefore, you are guilty of being a false accuser, are you not?
Now for the “ignorant and guileless” teen: The Scriptures are very clear that anyone who comes to the Lord, He receives and keeps that one:
John 10:27-30 MKJV
(27) My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
(28) And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.
(29) My Father Who gave them to Me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck them out of My Father’s hand.
(30) I and the Father are one!
“Therefore He is able also to save to the uttermost those who come unto God by Him, since He ever lives to make intercession for them” (Hebrews 7:25 MKJV).
So far, Larry, it is evident you are preaching “another gospel” and “another Jesus,” if we are to judge by this story.
Jesus made this sure promise:
“Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened (Matthew 7:7-8 KJV).
So, are you telling us the preacher of your story was greater in power than Jesus Christ, or are you telling us the teen wasn’t truly seeking after, or being drawn by, Jesus Christ? (The teen is, in fact, a murderess for killing herself.)
Or are you calling Jesus Christ a fool and liar, as you call us? Which of the three possibilities is it?
Now for the father of the deceased daughter: Was he a true judge of the preachers? Did he know the Lord and have the Spirit of righteous judgment? If so, why didn’t he teach and comfort his daughter in the way of God? Apparently he had no idea of the Lord or His ways.
First, he was unable to instruct his own family in the Truth and shelter his daughter from falsehood. If he knew the leaders were preaching falsehood, why didn’t he instruct his daughter? Or did he try and she wouldn’t listen, in which case she broke the Fifth Commandment by dishonoring her father, and perished in her rebellion?
Second, the father returned evil for what he perceived to be evil, contrary to the will of God. So clearly, we can’t trust the daughter’s or the father’s judgment in this matter.
And when the leaders demanded obedience and submission based on their presumed position of authority rather than on truth, then we have quite a mess, don’t we? All are wrong!
Larry, who came up with this cockamamie story anyway, thinking it to be a wise parable of sorts? You? “Each gives what he has,” you say. Can there be any doubt you don’t have much, except for a lot of “manure”?
You say, “I hope you learn about the Grace of God before you meet him, Victor and Paul.”
If you were not blind, you would know that we have received and learned about the grace of God, and that is because we have already met Him. You have a beam to remove from your eye, friend. Otherwise, you would know we are His brethren and speak by Him.
Are you just a sinner saved by grace, Larry, or are you a presumptuous, unregenerate, foolish man, trying to sign off with a show of humility after making up a silly story to demonstrate his cunning and wisdom?
Tares are never quite the same as wheat. You and Daniel have never known the Lord Jesus Christ, or you two simply would not say the things you do and contradict yourselves so readily, not nearly.
Your words are the words of foolish children of darkness, mumbling, fumbling and stumbling, yet so dishonest, insisting they see.
Not knowing Him is not something we would judge you for (we dare not judge anyone for that). Your sin is that you falsely use His Name and claim to have some understanding from Him. You take upon yourself His Name in vain, and we can already see that God has not held you guiltless for it.
Victor Hafichuk
Paul Cohen
Larry’s reply:
Each gives what he has. I’ll clean yours off my porch. Then bask in His Grace.
In Him,
Larry
Victor and Paul’s reply:
Larry Smith, God is finished winking at your vile works and blasphemies, calling iniquity “grace” and the Word of God “manure.”
Whereas you have heard of, imagined, and perhaps even known, threatening preachers who do not represent God, now you will know what happens to those who refuse to listen to those who speak the truth in Christ.
That goes for both you and Daniel. Everything you put your hands and mouths to now is cursed.
Victor Hafichuk
Paul Cohen
Larry’s reply:
Each gives what he has.
Grace to you,
Larry
Daniel’s reply:
Mr Hafichuk,
Your name is apprapo being you are the victor of "half-ly" divided words of truth cleverly strung together and demoniacally spued forth with the spitius vomitus.
Know ye not whom you even curse, for you cannot pray hell upon another and escape it yourself.
Alas, you have laid yourself a snare. Your curses are impotent spells of witchcraftery having no power save to expose yourself as the self appointed prophet of Antichrist disguised as an Amos of Old. You come of your own accord. You are a fevered, self righteous and deluded man, a perverter of the Way.
Know not even to whom you speak, a man who is your elder and twice your years in the Lord’s service. You are a rebellious teen, wildly presumptuous, amazingly arrogant, and fond of hearing yourself speak.
Be gone with you and your cult of self importance. Know that if I receive an email from you or your domain again I will report to a list for blacklist servers once for every unsolicited email I have already received.
Blessed indeed are are those who take no offense by you. You are offensive, but not for the sake of Christ.
Paul and Victor’s reply:
Larry, you guys are going to have to get your act together. You wax pious, saying, “Grace to you,” while your charge comes to your aid, spewing “spitius vomitus” on us.
But how will you be able to get your act together when God’s curse is on you?
“And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand” (Mark 3:24 KJV).
You may share this with your rabid friend. We feel no need to get any closer to a dog frothing at the mouth.
Paul Cohen
Victor Hafichuk
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