False Teacher - Bill Stevenson - "Bible Lover Bill": Blind Bibliolatry

“Bible Lover Bill” Blind Bibliolatry

Idolaters see what they want and don't see anything that contradicts their chosen delusions. Here is an interesting scenario wherein you can see the contrast between two men who both report receiving the Spirit of Christ in January of 1975, one who is an idolater and the other a worshipper of God.

“You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life. And they are the ones witnessing of Me, and you will not come to Me that you might have life. I do not receive honor from men. But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. I have come in My Father’s Name, and you do not receive Me. If another shall come in his own name, him you will receive. How can you believe, you who receive honor from one another and do not seek the honor that comes from God only?” (John 5:39-44 MKJV)

In 2006 we corresponded with the self-styled “Bible Lover Bill.” Bill sent us one of Anton Bosch’s writings, which we judged and posted in our “False Teachers” section. Four years later, Bill found Anton’s posting and complained to us because we mentioned him at the beginning as the one who sent us the article, we saying he did so because he is in enmity with God and the truth.

Recent note from “Bible Lover Bill” in response to Anton Bosch – Correcting a Fool:

What about Matthew 18:15 and the Golden Rule? Facts: I don’t know you or Anton. And you both don’t know me. You certainly cannot mind read especially since I live so far away from you. You probably have never gone to my websites either. I think that I sent the indicated article to my whole e-mail list at the time. It was just a list of scripture. It had no accusations.

I await your apology. God hates slander. I have been a victim of such due to my German wife. I will need to return to the USA soon.

I have been doing fulltime Internet ministering for almost seven years in Germany. I have had much success in doing proper spiritual encouragement, Biblical teaching and counseling, blogging, intercessory praying, Bible study tool developing, and "watchman on the wall" warning to USAers. Romans 8:1 applies to me and most of the time I live Proverbs 3:5-6. Do you do the latter? The following was not Holy Spirit urged because of the lies in it about me.

Living for God,

Bible lover Bill
Romans 8:28, Philippians 4:4-8, & Proverbs 3:5-6

Paul’s reply:

Bill,

You ask us, “What about Matthew 18:15?”

The Scripture says:

“But if your brother shall trespass against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother” (Matthew 18:15 MKJV).

Have you truly forgotten our personal correspondence from four years ago in which we showed you your shortfall and sin before God? The fact that you have forgotten or repressed it tells us that you have not repented and are yet in your sin.

After you rejected our sound words and Scriptural truth, we let you go. We didn’t take this correspondence to others because you are not a brother or part of the Body of Christ. We had exposed you as a false convert, a Bible lover who doesn’t love the Bible because you are a Christian who doesn’t know and love the Lord Jesus Christ. You are one who talks, but doesn’t walk.

We will now post our correspondence with you in our False Teachers section, in order to expose your evil ways that others might have opportunity to repent and learn to fear God, while yet others who walk in your sin of presumption and self-exaltation might be judged as you are.

In our correspondence [below], you will see that you sent us Anton’s article, not as part of a mailer sent to your email list, as you claim, but as a personal statement directed towards us. Here are the words you wrote to Victor in that letter:

“You are just a false accuser and doing what Satan wants. God hates those who try to ‘sow discord amongst the brethren’. Arguing is not productive. You misuse and disrespect God’s Word. Romans 8:1 applies to me and to Brother Jennings and to Anne and to two others who also discerned your serious problems.

The following was posted in my forum:

Don’t Correct the Fool
(by Anton Bosch)”

So we see that your “facts” are false, and our “lies” are not lies. You are in error and delusion, confounded because yet in your sin. God has hardened your heart for destruction.

You say you don’t know Anton, yet there you are, distributing his writing as if it has godly value. (After receiving your letter we have updated his posting with more material; read it at Anton Bosch – Correcting a Fool.)

You say we can’t know you because you are so far away, as if the Spirit of God in us is subject to physical sight and distance and cannot discern good and evil. At every turn you declare that you are in gross darkness, not knowing the right hand from the left, the spirit from the flesh, and not able to exercise any discernment whatsoever, yet you sit as judge over us and all things. You hypocrite! You deny Jesus Christ in order to make yourself God. You are antiChrist.

Whether or not you suffer because your wife is German is immaterial. The point is that you certainly don’t suffer for the Word of God, Jesus Christ. Any suffering on your part is as a religious fool.

You boast of your works and of yourself, using the same Scriptures you gave us four years ago as applying to yourself, with only your word as testimony. Your fruits show otherwise, Bill – that you vaunt yourself in the works of the flesh. Such boasting is evil. All that you take pride in is to be destroyed in the fires of God, to which we have delivered you by the Word of God.

Regarding which, there is one true thing you wrote to us several years ago:

“And only God’s Word is guaranteed not to come back void. Any statements by me are not given that guarantee.”

A candid admission on your part that you do not speak the Word of God. “For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy” (Revelation 19:10).

You are not among the brethren who have the testimony of Jesus, and you do not receive them. Again, you are antiChrist. And that’s why you are offended by the Truth.

Bill’s reply:

You don’t know me and I don’t know you. I remember a forum group argument with a man who was named Victor, who had liked my Bible study tools but then suddenly turned against me. And the only thing else I remember negative 4 years ago was an argument with 3 who were leaders of a small cult. I guess that group included you. But a lot has happened in my life since that time.

The below article etc. [our Anton Bosch posting] is the only negative thing that comes up when one does a Google or Yahoo search for Bible lover Bill. Your response to my inquiry shows that are not Christ-like. You are the false accuser and doing what Satan wants. Romans 8:1 applies to me and I do live Proverbs 3:5-6 most of the time and do full time Great Commission ministries via the Internet so that I am living by the Holy Spirit like Romans 8 and Galatians 5 indicate that we should do. If I was such a horrible false convert like you claim, then God would not have blessed me with over 100 Bible study tools and my Internet ministries helping hundreds if not thousands during the past 6 years. And you cannot find anything unBiblical in my Bible study tools. I don’t promote theories and opinions like you do and condemn others like you do. No true Christian will condemn anyone. I hope that you get right with God before it is too late.

Onward for whatever He wants,

Bill

Paul then shared with Bill their correspondence with him from 2006; here is Bill’s summary and reply:

My statements are true and the Bible supports all of them. Victor’s statements are not. Case is closed. I obey 2 Timothy 3:5.

Now we share that correspondence with you, dear readers, so you can see the evidence and decide for yourselves what is the truth….

When we invited Bill Stevenson – “Bible Lover Bill” – to receive The Issues of Life, he sent us 35 of his Bible studies and later asked if we had red them. Victor’s reply:

Hi Bill,

I skimmed your Bible studies – not all, but some. There is much knowledge and labor there…and that is the problem. I see a burdensome, laborious bondage to knowledge. Truly, I see you eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Yes, it is Scripture and yes, one can find some good things. But it is like trying to put on a shoe or a glove three sizes too small. It is like searching the discarded chaff for a few kernels of wheat, or trying to sip water through a wheat stem when thirsty on a hot day. We have learned the true meaning of the Lord’s words:

Matthew 11:28-30 GNB
(28) “Come to Me, all of you who are tired from carrying heavy loads, and I will give you rest.
(29) Take My yoke and put it on you, and learn from Me, because I am gentle and humble in spirit; and you will find rest.
(30) For the yoke I will give you is easy, and the load I will put on you is light.”

I can understand why you would call yourself “Bible Lover Bill.” I also once had that drive to know the Bible and every aspect of it, every letter, to the fullest, and wanted everyone to know it. I had the desire to excel in knowledge of it so that it did not matter what one would ask me or wish to discuss, I would know the answer and be able to give many references as backup. It was a matter of pride, though I did not recognize it as such then.

I became overwhelmed with the impossibility of it, for I knew that if I spent several lifetimes searching out the Scriptures and the meanings, it would not be sufficient. Then the Lord gave me His Spirit on January 1, 1975, and how wonderful an emancipation that was! The answer is the Spirit of Truth, the complete Bible within! He made me free, as He promised:

“You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” (John 8:32 GNB).

Upon receiving the Holy Spirit of God, of Jesus Christ, I now had the entire Word in me and I came to experience the reality of John’s words:

“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things” (1 John 2:20 MKJV).

“But the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true and no lie, and as He has taught you, abide in Him” (1 John 2:27 MKJV).

Having the Spirit of God, and not repentance only, one will know true doctrine from false. I can see from your material that we teach things you would judge to be false, and you teach some doctrines of devils, as you may see in Diabolical Doctrines and The Restitution of All Things.

Jesus said to the religious:

“You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life. And they are the ones witnessing of Me” (John 5:39 MKJV).

When I was converted, the Bible became a new Book, but when I received the Spirit, I became the Book and the Book me. The One of Whom the Scriptures testify took me to Himself, filled me with Himself, and now I thirst no more. He is my knowledge. I rest in Him, thankfully, O how thankfully!

Read my story in Our Testimonies and read The Baptism in the Holy Spirit. That should help you understand what I am saying and testifying to you. I do not condemn or fault you, Bill. We all have to come to our times and places as the Lord gives. I only speak what I know. If you receive The Issues of Life, you will find, Lord willing, that we are in life, with real issues and real people. That is the will of God, Bill, not knowledge, except that it is in knowing Him.

“Therefore let us fear, lest while the promise remains to enter into His rest, any one of you seems to have fallen short. For indeed we have had the Gospel preached to us just as those also; but the Word which they heard did not profit those, not having been mixed with faith in those having heard it. For we who have believed enter that rest, as He has said: So I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter My rest, although His works were finished from the foundation of the world” (Hebrews 4:1-3 EMTV).

The Lord grant you deliverance from laboring by the sweat of your brow, and grace to partake of the Tree of Life, through faith,

Victor

Bill wrote to his friends:

How would you respond to this? I only sent them 35 of the PFHL courses that were just collections of Scripture logically grouped and some in the indention format at the same time I sent them to that Greek Orthodox “Top George”. In those courses there is no commentary at all. Most of the assignments were just writing essays.

I am not a theologian as he indicates. I am not eating from the Tree of good and evil. I am just doing what the Holy Spirit urges. I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in early 1975 on my bed. None of these Bible study courses took any sweat or work at all. I have never felt like I was working when the Holy Spirit was guiding me in such developing. It has all been just enjoyable usage of time. He has never had me do any of them in one sitting either. Usually the delays in the middle for needed real life experiences so I would understand the rest to come. I have never felt in any of them I was putting any effort on my part. It is such a wonderful feeling. It is a special form of divine grace. I now have the feeling that I am arriving to a good response to this challenge.

I looked at their website and it seems that they have started a cult based on spiritual theories and spiritual philosophy, not based on the Bible.

I look forward to your responses.

Your friend in Germany,
Bill

Bill sent us a response from one of his friends:

Note: This is from one of the best Christians I have met in Yahoo 360.

If this wasn’t such a serious accusation, it would be hilarious. Come on! Since when is it wrong to study the Bible!!!!!!

Doesn’t Joshua 1:8 say “This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate in it day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success”? Isn’t that kind of advice repeated all over the Bible. Doesn’t the Bible say all Scripture is useful for exhortation, reproach, edification, etc.?

Since when is subjective experience as valid as Scripturally based knowledge? One may find “some good things in the Bible”??????? So the Bible is like a book of fables?????

I have witnessed many people in bondage to knowledge, even Bible knowledge. Yes, hypocrites who know the Bible very well but don’t live one bit of it, and are proud because of their knowledge. But I would never think the problem is in the person having studied the Bible!!!!!! Proverbs states clearly that the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord (a loving reverence for Him, a hatred of evil)… with that attitude you can study the Bible and will not become proud. And Bill, I would not accuse you of having that problem. It is true sometimes you can seem to be strong-willed and even stubborn, but aren’t we all? And unless a person knows you very well, who has the right to make such accusing statements about you?

The Bible repeatedly uses the ruminating “chewing the cud” animals as a symbol of what a Christian should be like in dealing with the Bible. Dr Mc. Gee explains it very well in his study of Exodus and Leviticus. To compare Bible study with searching for discarded chaff is like saying most of the Bible is worthless and there are such few good things in it that it is a waste of time to study the Bible at all.

The Jesus this man refers to is not the Jesus of the Bible, who did NOT come to abolish the Law and the Prophets. And Jesus Himself quoted from most (or all?) OT books, thus validating each of them.

Regarding his experiences with the “holy spirit”… again this is not the Holy Spirit of the Bible. The Holy Spirit WROTE the Bible!!! So why would the Holy Spirit DISCOURAGE anyone from Bible study????? A little discernment here… People run about to see the next revelation, they go after mystical experiences (that’s very newagey, BTW) and believe anything that sounds good to them. I believe the devil with his “revelations” can give you a certain kind of “peace” that is similar enough to the peace God brings (at least it is for the person who has never experienced the true peace only God can bring. How can you tell a note is counterfeit if you’ve never seen a real one?) so that many are confused. Why do multitudes go after yoga, reiki, TM and other aberrations? Because they find sth in there that feels like peace…

In any case, we are COMMANDED in the Bible to test all spirits, to see if they are from God. What is the standard for testing the spirits? THE BIBLE. And Paul said if anyone, even an angel, brings a different gospel, let him be anathema!!!!

The content of this individual’s speech reminds me of Benny Hinn. In his book Good morning Holy Spirit, he talks about a revelation from the Holy Spirit in which He led Benny to many passages of the Bible and explained them to him and the great joy it caused. That reminds me of satan in Matthew 4 trying to interpret Deuteronomy to Jesus. Of course Jesus outsmarted satan. But we are to remember we are not Jesus. We don’t have His discernment, so we have to be especially careful about the “revelations” we receive when reading the Bible. I don’t like fancy theories… I don’t trust them… Most preachers have some of these. I don’t like “The Lord told me…” statements prefacing some unprovable notion.

So if I understand what this man says correctly, when he received this special revelation (Do I read a trace of gnosticism here?) he sort of became one with the Bible and with God. Wasn’t that supposed to be the result of eating the Tree of Knowledge, according to the devil??? Excuse me, but if there is anyone with spiritual pride it is him not you.

“Experiences” can make people as proud as Bible knowledge (if not more so). Benny Hinn, according to what I’ve read about him (and God is his final judge) is one of the most arrogant people I know. And I bet he doesn’t have a Ph.D. in Theology.

So, as far as my limited knowledge of you allows me to say, you are on the right track. I may be wrong but if there is something I can criticize about you, certainly your “obsession” with Bible study is the last thing I would mention.

You can forward this email to your “riend”, as long as you keep my name and email address hidden. You know, I have enough enemies cursing me, LOL, last night I dreamt with an unholy spirit attacking me.

Anyway, there is a saying in the Quixote which I really like. “LADRAN, SANCHO, SEÑAL QUE CABALGAMOS” (literally: they are barking, Sancho. It’s a sign that we are marching) which basically means, when certain people are complaining about you, it means you are doing the right thing. Sorry, my brain is malfunctioning and I cannot find an equivalent Bible verse for that… OK, OK, Luke 6:22-23. Read it and rejoice. 🙂

Onward to Romans 8:28 life

Bill’s response to Victor:

Hi Victor,

You are completely wrong about me, but I expected it after I had seen your website (before I e-mailed you the courses). The other man I sent the courses to is a modern day Pharisee Orthodox Christian Church member. When I have to do the negative part of my ministry, I wait a while for Holy Spirit help. Sometimes I seek other suggestions from true consecrated Christians. Most of the time in my full time ministry I do Apostle Paul and Barnabas like spiritual encouraging. Such is obvious in my 360 blog and comments. Proverbs 3:5-6, Romans 8, Philippians 2:1-16, and Ephesians 4 indicate what should be true Christians’ priorities.

The Holy Spirit mentioned in the Bible urged me to respond in this way. I will insert comments in appropriate places below. I spent a few hours doing this for your sake.

Victor: Hi Bill,

***Response– None of these Bible study courses took any sweat or work at all. I have never felt like I was working when the Holy Spirit was guiding me in such developing. It has all been just enjoyable usage of time. He has never had me do any of them in one sitting either. Usually the delays in the middle for needed real life experiences so I would understand the rest to come. I have never felt in any of them I was putting any effort on my part. It is such a wonderful feeling. It is a special form of divine grace. I now have the feeling that I am arriving to a good response to this challenge.

This morning, I also realized much more that when I am in the Proverbs 3:5-6 way of thinking, nothing that the Holy Spirit has me say and do seems to take effort. God just wants more of our time and thankfulness. When I do things humanistically, it is hard work. For example (before I knew the Holy Spirit), when I had a piano composition to memorize for a piano recital to prepare for, I was so worried about what was ahead that I would play the piece over and over and over again in order to memorize it. I felt I had to memorize more than 5 times the normal piano student. And I worried so much too about possibly making mistakes in the performance and not making it through the whole piece. I did similar for preparing for school tests/exams. On the other hand, the tough part of Holy Spirit guided living is not the preparation parts, but is when individuals reject the results or/and falsely accuse. I care for others and want God’s best for them.

I am not eating from the Tree of good and evil. I am just doing what the Holy Spirit urges. I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in early 1975 on my bed.

Victor: Yes, it is Scripture and yes, one can find some good things.

***Response– You missed th whole purpose of this form of Bible study tools. They are not like a sermon or lecture or denominationalized Bible courses. The best way for retention of information is if the student has to reason for understanding either in relating to thought provoking questions, logical grouping or/and formatting of information, or being involved in a good discussion. So most of the teaching materials I develop are done to cause the reader to reason for themselves. So my Preparation for Heavenly Living Correspondence School did not become a typical correspondence school; instead most receivers of the courses are skimming them and then sending them to others. I use parts of them to e-mail counsel individuals.

Victor: But it is like trying to put on a shoe or a glove three sizes too small. It is like searching the discarded chaff for a few kernels of wheat, or trying to sip water through a wheat stem when thirsty on a hot day.

***Response– That is not what I have done!!! The Holy Spirit helps me find the best verses or passages for certain topic areas or helps me logically format the best chapters of the Bible for true Christianity living. In beginning one of the former type, I download the results of a word search, I look at each verse and its context, I decide whether it is appropriate or might be to controversial or confusing for new Christians, I put the appropriate ones in groupings that the Holy Spirit urges. He gives me the group titles too. Again, I feel I am doing no effort or work at all. I am almost like a spectator enjoying watching a wonderful painting being done. And only God’s Word is guaranteed not to come back void. Any statements by me are not given that guarantee. So that is why most of my Bible study courses are mostly just Scripture. Even my essays only include statements that could have Bible verses substituted for them.

Victor: We have learned the true meaning of the Lord’s words:

***Response– I responded to your wrong judgment against me twice. I am not going against this passage at all! And in John 16:13 it says that Jesus Christ is telling the Holy Spirit when to tell me what. The Holy Spirit knows all of divine truths and wisdom, but did not experience living in our world as Jesus Christ did. The latter knows human needs and weaknesses and about temptations. He is the compassionate high priest for true Christians.

Victor: I can understand why you would call yourself “Bible Lover Bill.”

***Response– The Holy Spirit gave me that ID because of my top love and to get me contacts who wanted to really personally understand and live God’s Word much more.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

1 John 2:17
“And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”

Victor: I also once had that drive to know the Bible and every aspect of it, every letter, to the fullest, and wanted everyone to know it. I had the desire to excel in knowledge of it so that it did not matter what one would ask me or wish to discuss, I would know the answer and be able to give many references as backup. It was a matter of pride, though I did not recognize it as such then.

I became overwhelmed with the impossibility of it, for I knew that if I spent several lifetimes searching out the Scriptures and the meanings, it would not be sufficient.

***Response– I never had such a desire!!! I don’t really know much Scripture. I usually know where the best wisdom and advice is located. My favorites are a very small group and I share them often in e-mails, Yahoo 360 messages, blogs and comments, and my sharing in church. I only study the Bible when the Holy Spirit urges. And I don’t memorize Scripture. So I go against what many Christian pastors advise. I am not a theologian. I know of a pastor who is such and has “burned out” a few times. He had to go to German clinics for depressed individuals several times for 6-week stays where they used the Rogerian method of counseling and psych drugs. I haven’t even needed sleeping medicine. My times of depression have been very short after upsets in my life.

Victor: Then the Lord gave me His Spirit on January 1, 1975, and how wonderful an emancipation that was! The answer is the Spirit of Truth, the complete Bible within! He made me free, as He promised:

“You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” (John 8:32 GNB).

Upon receiving the Holy Spirit of God, of Jesus Christ, I now had the entire Word in me and I came to experience the reality of John’s words:

“But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things” (1 John 2:20 MKJV).

***Response– It is ironic that I received the Holy Spirit in the same month and year as you claim you did. I was raised in the First Congregational Church (which believes in teh social good works gospel), then was exposed to a Presbyterian church, some Roman Catholic churches (when courting my first wife), and in August 1974 was hired by a conservative Assembly of God church. Then I kept asking God for the baptism of the Spirit and the gift of speaking in tongues. Later, I met a lady in Washington D. C. (I was from California to attend the 1988 “Washington for Jesus March”) who had some of the same words that I had been given! I have also attended many other different kinds of churches because God apparently wanted me to be able to be understanding of others. All churches have some of God’s truths in their doctrines, but they all have a lot of human spiritual theories and opinions which are not pleasing to God. Every church I have attended and with ever person I have met, I looked for the good in them knowing the bad would eventually be spoken or manifested.

The verses you quoted do not support your statements to justify your apparent not using the Bible anymore. You are going against what 2 Timothy 3:15-16 says and many other verses about the Bible. I guess you believe that Psalm 119 is not for Christians today at all.

Victor: Having the Spirit of God, and not repentance only, one will know true doctrine from false. I can see from your material that we teach things you would judge to be false, and you teach some doctrines of devils, as you may see in Diabolical Doctrines and The Restitution of All Things.

***Response– I have never said or written that only repentance is proper for Christians. Most pastors do not even preach repentance, but repentance is a major theme of God. The Holy Spirit is not. But true Christians will have the Spirit of God and will want to be guided by Him even for minor choice decisions (like what clothes to wear or food to eat for a meal). Satan and the fallen angels are against my Bible study tools courses, spiritual handouts, and spiritual essays because they were urged by the Holy Spirit and have a lot of support Scripture. Remember that Jesus Christ responded to Satan’s temptations in the wilderness with Scripture and later did the Sermon of the Mount which placed more spiritual responsibilities for future Christains than the Old Testament Jews had been given by God the Father.

Some have said that the unforgiveable sin is saying that some ministry is of the devil instead of the Holy Spirit. So you are warned. I have not done everything perfect in my Christian ministries, but I am not teaching any doctrine of the devil. I am not adding to the Bible at all as you and many are.

Victor: Jesus said to the religious:

“You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life. And they are the ones witnessing of Me” (John 5:39 MKJV).

***Response– I am not religious at all!! I could never call myself any denominationalist. I could only say I was a Bible-believing, Spirit-led, Jesus Christ following Christian. And I hate modern day phariseeism, about which that verse refers too.

Victor: When I was converted, the Bible became a new Book, but when I received the Spirit, I became the Book and the Book me. The One of Whom the Scriptures testify took me to Himself, filled me with Himself, and now I thirst no more. He is my knowledge. I rest in Him, thankfully, O how thankfully!

Read my story in Our Testimonies and read The Baptism in the Holy Spirit. That should help you understand what I am saying and testifying to you.

***Response– I read all 4 of those and my speculations about your beliefs were confirmed. I can understand especially why you believe what you do. It is because of your hatred of the legalism of the Roman Catholic Religion. My children are mostly humanistic because of their experiences in legalistic church and their hatred about the divorce between their mother and me. They are glad to have freedom and I believe that only my son goes to church. I have met other individuals who have given up going to church because of similar past experiences. I have more reasons than most to be bitter and resentful against various different denominations and “Christian” leaders, but that would be against what Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul taught. The 4 items I read had contradictions with what you said in this e-mail, especially in relation to the Bible. You apparently use it only to try to convince others to believe the way you do. And you were arrogant all through the paper about the Holy Spirit. You are completely wrong to say that God the Father and Jesus Christ are the same person, as is the Holy Spirit too. There are so many verses that show that they are separate divine persons. I don’t approve of the use of the word Trinity in reference to them; Godhead is a better word for such. I also think that all pronouns referring to them should start with a capital letter. But I never have tried to force anyone to believe the way I do. Instead I mainly encourage them to live Proverbes 3:5-6 and then the Holy Spirit will guide them into all of God’s truths.

Sort of like Sara’s testimony, I have lost the fellowships and respect of relatives, friends, pastors, and others because of my consecration to saying and doing what the Holy Spirit and the Bible urge. But God has replaced the losses with other individuals, mostly true consecrated Christians. I also have lost jobs and wrongly taken under custody by law enforcement officials because of the same reason, but I have not shed any blood as so many Christians have. But God has blessed me with a lot of divine peace, divine joy, and so many Romans 8:28 blessings (especially in understanding God’s wisdom and concerns).

Victor: I do not condemn or fault you, Bill.

***Response– Reread your comments in this e-mail. I guess your definitions of condemn and fault are different than the ones I learned. I have never even thought about condemning anyone. I have intercessory prayed for those who I think are leading others astray in politics or spiritually to become sensitive to the Holy Spirit’s conviction ministry and then to confess and repent from their wrong beliefs. But you do currently fit in the type of “Christian” mentioned in 2 Timothy 3:5.

Victor: We all have to come to our times and places as the Lord gives. I only speak what I know. If you receive The Issues of Life, you will find, Lord willing, that we are in life, with real issues and real people. That is the will of God, Bill, not knowledge, except that it is in knowing Him.

***Response– That is why I don’t give lists for people to do. For each believer, God has an “individualized lesson plan” and the good works that have been pre-planned for him or her to do or not do. (Ephesians 2:10) For example, He knows when is the best time for an individual to give up a bad habit like smoking, so I never have told a church-goer that they should stop such immediately. I have done the same with those who drink alcohol or/and swear a lot. When one is convinced that a change is necessary, it has the best possibility to be forever and not the bad habit will not probably ever be done again, but changes done because of what others say or want usually are temporary. The Issues of Life list indicated almost all of my current concerns. I read a few of them, but I don’t need to read the rest. Most of the ones I read were like your paper about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, condemnations against individuals and other religions. It is like you saying everyone else is wrong but you. I don’t believe that any human being believes in all of the right doctrines according to God and the Bible, so I can respect and pray for those who seem to manifest the fruit of the Spirit and have just a few unBiblical beliefs. Evangelist Billy Grayham is an example. He has not blasaphamied the Holy Spirit as you claim; He just believes in the Baptist doctrine in the area of signs and wonders spiritual gifts. As for me, I let the Holy Spirit tell me how to react to leaders and the current events which are related to the issues posted in your website. He tells me for whom I should do intercessory prayer and if I should warn others.

Victor: “Therefore let us fear, lest while the promise remains to enter into His rest, any one of you seems to have fallen short. For indeed we have had the Gospel preached to us just as those also; but the Word which they heard did not profit those, not having been mixed with faith in those having heard it. For we who have believed enter that rest, as He has said: So I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter My rest, although His works were finished from the foundation of the world” (Hebrews 4:1-3 EMTV).

The Lord grant you deliverance from laboring by the sweat of your brow, and grace to partake of the Tree of Life, through faith,

Victor

***Response– I don’t need the deliverance you indicate! Again, I am mostly resting in my relationship with God the Father, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the Bible as they help me become more spiritually wise and Christ-like. The only time I am not doing such resting is when I live selfishly or humanistically. And I don’t say or write things that would make my popular. I do not like being complimented either. I am just an adopted child of God doing a lot in the Great Commission during what appears to be the end of the Age of Grace. I will avoid vain arguments and arrogant spiritual theorists which are misusing Scripture.

Restfully onward for following my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ,
Bible lover Bill
Romans 8:28

Victor’s reply regarding Bill’s friend’s letter:

Bill, I will address some of the things “one of the best in Yahoo 360,” Jennings Campbell, has to say.

First of all, generally speaking, he comes as an ignorant mocker, starting on a false foundation and building from there. His whole line of argument and condemnation is false because his premise is false.

Anyone looking at our site will know that we would not say it is wrong to study the Bible. That is a foolish remark, indeed. Anyone with a shred of honesty would admit so. Why would anyone professing Jesus Christ as Lord surmise and boldly, publicly speak such a lie, and why would you, Bill, sanction it and pass it on to us? If you walked in the Spirit of Truth, as you claim, you would correct him in his error, instead of receiving the testimony of a man who accuses falsely. How poor are your resources of support for your untenable position!

“But I don’t depend on human testimony. I’m telling you this to save you” (John 5:34).

We are solemnly respectful of the Scriptures because they testify of Him Whom we worship. He dwells in us and we in Him. Because He does not dwell in your friend, Campbell has no respect for the Scriptures because he has no respect for the Author of the Bible, though he claims otherwise. And you are deceived by him, even looking to his witness rather than God’s. That can only be because you are not right with God. While you are a Bibliolater (“Bible Lover Bill”), producing many topical Scriptures, you do not love the Lord as you claim. Repent, Bill.

The Scriptures say:

“From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures. They have the power to give you wisdom so that you can be saved through faith in Christ Jesus. Every Scripture passage is inspired by God. All of them are useful for teaching, pointing out errors, correcting people, and training them for a life that has God’s approval. They equip God’s servants so that they are completely prepared to do good things” (2 Timothy 3:15-17 GW).

Is it not ironic that while you two claim to know and revere the Scriptures, you actually know nothing and your ways are no different from those of the religious in Jesus’ day? You promote yourselves, using His Name, and will not come to Him. To such He said:

“You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and these are they which testify about Me. But you are unwilling to come to Me, so that you may have life” (John 5:39-40 EMTV).

I grant you that I could have chosen better words. If either of you had the Spirit and loved as you claim to, however, you would have known that what you say I said is not what I said, quite the contrary. So do you indeed worship the Jesus of the Bible and we another? How so?

When I spoke of wheat and chaff, I spoke not of the Word of God, which is pure, but of what one must go through to find value in what “Bible Lover Bill” teaches from the Bible. Unless the Spirit of God reveals something to us, we know nothing, even as you men know nothing.

As for saying we teach that Jesus came to abolish the Law and the Prophets, again your words are unfounded. We teach no such thing. Why do you disregard and transgress the Law, accusing falsely? It is because the Lawmaker is not with you, and you are not with Him.

You say the standard for testing the spirits is the Bible. It is recorded:

“To the Law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because no light is in them” (Isaiah 8:20 MKJV).

However, Jesus said to those who professed to use the Bible as a standard to determine a matter:

“‘You err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God’” (Matthew 22:29 MKJV).

That is where you men fit right in. So we say to you:

“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ” (1Co 2:14-16 MKJV).

Many use the Bible and to each of them the Bible says something different, as you know. Thus, you are foolish and ignorant to think the Bible itself determines anything. It is the God of the Bible Who determines, revealing the meaning of His Book; without Him, one is dead to the Scriptures, and they to him. You can only say what you say because you are dead. You are religious, vainly professing faith, and dead.

Bill, you and I both declare that we received the Spirit in January of 1975. That is not only ironic, as you say, but interesting, very interesting. The Lord is showing me what I have, in contrast to what might have been, but for His grace and mercy. He spared me, gave me His Spirit, and set me aside, away from men’s books and teachings, to read the Bible, He being my Teacher. Now I know the Bible because I know Him. The Author dwells in me. If you received the Spirit, you do not show it. You are confounded.

That is why I say the Bible is within, something Jennings cannot fathom, not knowing Him, the Author of the Bible. He writes:

“He sort of became one with the Bible and with God. Wasn’t that supposed to be the result of eating the Tree of Knowledge, according to the devil???”

The Bible says:

“Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” (2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV).

So, one can, and must, as a genuine believer, become one with the Lord, even as He prayed:

“I am not praying for these alone, but also for those who believe in Me through their Word; so that they all may be one, just as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You have given to Me, I have given to them, so that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; so that they may be perfected in unity, and so that the world may know that You have sent Me, and You loved them just as You loved Me” (John 17:20-23 EMTV).

Jennings has mistaken the Tree of Knowledge for the Tree of Life, of Whom we partake. The serpent has beguiled him. There is only one way he could say what he did, and that is if he has not known Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. Yes, he likely “accepted” Jesus into his heart and was “saved,” but that happens to be the other gospel. His words are dead giveaways, repeatedly.

And which is greater, the Bible or its Author? If the Author dwells in me (“Christ in you, the hope of glory,” Colossians 1:27), how does the Bible not dwell in me? If He dwells in me, how does His Word not dwell in me? Foolish man!

He says, “I don’t like ‘The Lord told me…’ statements prefacing some unprovable notion.”

Paul spoke of revelations from the Lord. Could he prove them? Did people believe him? Few did. Jesus claimed the Father spoke to Him. Could He prove it? They demanded He give them a sign to prove He was Who He said He was. How is Jennings any different from the wicked and adulterous generation seeking a sign? He believes the Bible, yet knows nothing of its spirit, nature, or substance. Amazing, is it not? Jennings has an external, carnal, manmade Christianity, the very antiChrist one of which the Bible, which is hidden to him, speaks. He is a self-made man.

And for you, Bill, to receive Jennings’ corrupt testimony, and to flatter him as one of the best you have met on your internet group, reveals the nature of your experience as well.

“Jesus outsmarted Satan,” Jennings says? Telling words again. He sees Jesus as some human hero in His earthly life, as he tries to emulate Him, according to “I Am a Soldier” [no longer available]. He is God, Jennings’ Creator, and Satan’s as well. Saying He outsmarted Satan is as belittling of Him as when the Muslims call Him a prophet, as though they do Him justice. Yes, He did take upon Himself human form, humbling Himself. Yet, of Him did Paul write:

“And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, and was received up in glory” (1 Timothy 3:16 EMTV).

You and Jennings have not known Him; no, you have not. You are still in your sins, led about by other spirits, not His.

Finally, Jennings crowns the giving of himself away (not that his first words were not revealing enough):

“(literally: they are barking, Sancho. It’s a sign that we are marching) which basically means, when certain people are complaining about you, it means you are doing the right thing.”

Cervantes’ book was the funniest I have ever red. Don Quixote was a legend in his own mind, not a noble man, but a foolish dreamer, removed from reality altogether. Many people miss that message, even the moviemakers. I laughed and laughed because while the Lord was taking me through the waters and the fires over the years after baptizing me in His Holy Spirit, even as John promised He would, He was showing me how any self-righteous Christian (or non-Christian) can be as Quixote. I was also that way, attacking all sorts of windmills and defending “holy” causes. I thought myself to be the up-and-coming greatest man of God since Paul or Moses, just like Jennings carries on.

By the time the Lord was through with me, however, I abhorred myself and repented in dust and ashes, never to be the same again. I now know that in me, that is in my flesh, dwells no good thing. I had only heard of Him by the hearing of the ear, and then I came to see Him as He is. Truly, Isaiah declared:

“But we are all as the unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as a menstruation cloth. And we all fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away” (Isaiah 64:6 MKJV).

Which reminds me: One day in 1981, I was praying in difficult circumstances. My wife and I were nearly broke, had no home, no job, no prospects of either, no friends, no connections, and nowhere to go. All we had was an old truck, a small trailer, and a few dollars. I prayed, “Lord, I give everything I have and am to You. It is Yours.”

Immediately, I had a vision in which I saw myself before an altar. On that altar I was offering up the vilest pieces of refuse one can think of. I felt so ashamed for thinking that I could give or do anything of value for God. He caused me to realize my utter unworthiness.

The sacrifices Jennings offered up on his site, in his counsel and attitude, elsewhere and in any way, are as dung and used tampons. Some day, he will know that. Right now, as far as he is concerned, he is offering up the finest of gold. Yes, he has others deceived, but he does not have true believers deceived, and least of all, the Lord God.

Finally, Bill, you have sought Jennings’ solace and counsel to oppose the counsel of God by us.

Therefore you are both in the same place.

I have written a long letter, as have you, Bill. You say yours is for me, and I say mine is for you and Jennings. You will not be resting from here on in. The Word has gone forth, not to return void. One day, Bill and Jennings, we will be brethren in the Lord. Until then, it is obvious we are on opposite sides of the battlefield, we on the winning side, and you on the losing side. Our victory over you will be your deliverance, by the power of His Word. As He said:

“Behold, I give out of those of the synagogue of Satan, those saying themselves to be Jews and are not, but lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you” (Revelation 3:9 MKJV).

Earnestly contending for the faith once delivered to the saints,

Victor

Victor’s reply to Bill’s long letter:

Bill,

The work of which I speak is not as you think. However, let us grant that you thoroughly enjoy your work. There are those in the world who do so as well. Also, enjoyment of work in and of itself is not the determining factor of value before God. There are those who are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, so loving what you do is not necessarily valid.

You and your friend, Jennings, will reply, “What’s wrong with enjoying the Word of God? What’s wrong with arranging verses in topical order and sharing with others, especially when the Holy Spirit is guiding?” Now that is the question that must be answered. I have seen many carnal people enjoy the letter of the Word of God. They enjoy the status and attention or recognition they have as “teachers” or “teachers of the Law.” They love men’s praises. And the Holy Spirit is not in their works.

You say you do not like or want man’s praise. Is that true? Jennings wrote a letter based on false premise, you flatter him as one of the best you have met, he flatters you, you receive each other’s testimony and his against me, and you say you do not value men’s praise? Your fruits certainly say otherwise. Admit it, Bill.

Furthermore, how can you say the Spirit leads you in what you are doing when you readily receive against us, with prejudice, testimony that is obviously false?

Matthew 12:32-37 MKJV
(32) And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this world or in the world to come.
(33) Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree corrupt and its fruit corrupt; for the tree is known by its fruit.
(34) Offspring of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
(35) A good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings out good things; and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings out evil things.
(36) But I say to you that every idle word, whatever men may speak, they shall give account of it in the Day of Judgment.
(37) For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.

When you say you did all this for my sake, I cannot believe you, given your fruits. However, we speak to you in sincerity, and we do it because we want you to believe the truth in Christ, you and Jennings and everyone else. By now, both of you know full well that we are not drawing crowds or pay. We can think of better ways to gain an audience. Neither are we masochists. It is not pleasant to be ridiculed, scorned, falsely accused, misunderstood, and called all the things the “callers” themselves are.

But our reward is not from men or in this world. We are truly thankful to the One Who has bought us with His blood and Who grants us the unspeakable privilege of identifying personally with Him in this wicked, howbeit religious, world. The part that is rather frustrating is when those like you and Jennings come saying, “We know! We know!” when you know nothing or very little. We speak to you in Christ Jesus, and you do not know Him. You do not have His Spirit. You have another.

You say I missed the whole point of your work. You then go on to speak words to confirm that I spoke accurately, missing nothing:

“The best way for retention of information is if the student has to reason for understanding either in relating to thought provoking questions, logical grouping or/and formatting of information, or being involved in a good discussion.”

You do not speak of spiritual revelation, the stuff of true believers. Your dimension is a carnal one, of the power of the earthly mind, of the flesh, of man’s intellect. While you speak the things of the reasoning mind, we speak the things of the Spirit:

1 Corinthians 2:6-16 MKJV
(6) But, we speak wisdom among those who are perfect; yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the rulers of this world, that come to nothing.
(7) But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, which God has hidden, predetermining it before the world for our glory;
(8) which none of the rulers of this world knew (for if they had known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory).
(9) But as it is written, “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,” nor has it entered into the heart of man, “the things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
(10) But God has revealed them to us by His Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God.
(11) For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man within him? So also no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
(12) But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God.
(13) These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
(14) But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(15) But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged by no one.
(16) For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Yours, then, is eating from the Tree of Knowledge; it is the working of the serpent, the subtle one, whose name is “experience.” You and your great Christian friend are guilty of the very thing of which you both accuse us.

Your friend also warns about feelings and trusting in experiences:

“People run about to see the next revelation, they go after mystical experiences (that’s very newagey, BTW) and believe anything that sounds good to them. I believe the devil with his ‘revelations’ can give you a certain kind of ‘peace’ that is similar enough to the peace God brings (at least it is for the person who has never experienced the true peace only God can bring…).”

But you say: “It is such a wonderful feeling. It is a special form of divine grace. I now have the feeling that I am arriving to a good response to this challenge.” So your feelings are right, but testimony independent of feelings, without emphasis or declaration of seeking experiences, is wrong?

Your testimony declares that you were seeking the baptism in the Holy Spirit for some time. That did not happen with Saul or the Samaritans or Cornelius and the Gentiles or the Ephesian disciples or with us. Many times have I heard of people striving, seeking to receive the Holy Spirit, and they received all right, but they received another spirit. The Holy Spirit comes when He wills, and not because you keep wanting and seeking.

Those who waited in Jerusalem till Pentecost were not wanting and seeking an experience, but obeying the Lord. The fact that a man without the Spirit seeks “the baptism in the Holy Spirit” (an experience) indicates that he does so in the flesh, not knowing what he is truly after. He is seeking something by that label, but being a carnal man, his definition and perceptions are ungodly. He seeks something else, and that which he seeks, he receives.

You accuse us of running after experiences, but while we are not guilty of that (nowhere will you find that in our testimonies), you readily admit you were doing so! You and Jennings ought to acquaint yourselves with Our Testimonies and yours, with honesty. There you will see that though we were not seeking an experience, we indeed received an experience in that the Lord came to dwell in us, just as happened to those at Pentecost, complete with earthquake, tongues of fire, and gifts of the Spirit.

Jennings condemns experience because he has had none. His Christianity is intellectual, philosophical – in a word, carnal. It is not the new birth he has, or he would understand the things of which I speak. It seems that you, Bill, have experienced something, but it is not the reception of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.

You write: “The Holy Spirit knows all of divine truths and wisdom, but did not experience living in our world as Jesus Christ did. The latter knows human needs and weaknesses and about temptations. He is the compassionate high priest for true Christians.”

Who is the Spirit? You are evidently saying He knows nothing of Jesus Christ’s experiences. How utterly foolish! Was it not by the Spirit that Jesus lived and ministered and performed all His works and spoke all His words? Even your diabolical doctrine of the trinity, easily proven to be pagan, originating millennia before Christ, declares that all three are one, co-equal, all omniscient, and all omnipresent. Again, Bill, you and your supporters unintentionally yet truly tell me you do not have the Spirit of God. The words you intend to speak to us on the things of the Lord are lies.

How about this?

“Therefore take heed to yourselves, and to all the flock in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to feed the Church of God which He has purchased with His own blood” (Acts 20:28 MKJV).

The Scriptures testify that Jesus appointed shepherds to feed the flock, as He said to Peter, “Feed My sheep…” He also gave ministries to the Church:

“And truly He gave some to be apostles, and some to be prophets, and some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the Body of Christ” (Ephesians 4:11-12 MKJV)

Who did this? Jesus or the Holy Spirit? They are one and the same, and you display full ignorance of Him, speaking the words you speak.

Who Do Men Say that I Am?

You Worship You Know Not What

Paul’s reply:

Bill,

You wrote the following, which Victor quoted above:

“The verses you quoted do not support your statements to justify your apparent not using the Bible anymore. You are going against what 2 Timothy 3:15-16 says and many other verses about the Bible. I guess you believe that Psalm 119 is not for Christians today at all.”

It is you, and not we, who writes off the Bible to do as he pleases. In the document you sent us about Psalm 119, you write:

“So I was surprised by how many verses I don’t need because of New Testament Christianity. For example, I don’t need to proclaim Psalm 119:6-8 anymore. Verse 6—‘Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all Thy commandments.’ I don’t need to think about or meditate on or respect the Old Testament ordinances.”

Of those, Jesus said:

“For assuredly I say to you, until Heaven and earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle shall by no means pass away from the law until all things are fulfilled. Whoever therefore shall break one of the least of these Commandments, and shall teach men thus, will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them, he shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven” (Matthew 5:18-19 EMTV).

So, are people to believe and follow you and the spirit teaching you, or should they believe the Lord Jesus Christ?

You continue:

“Jesus Christ said to obey His commandments that He taught when on Earth….”

That is not all that He said. Here, my Bible-loving friend, is what He did say:

“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17 EMTV).

Is Heaven and earth still standing? If so, then the Law is not abolished. But you do not know how to apply or teach the Law, not having been brought to Christ to firstly have it fulfilled in you.

“But we know that the Law is good if one uses it lawfully” (1 Timothy 1:8 EMTV).

You reject the Law because you are yet in your sins and lawlessness, speaking from darkness as though it is light. That, in particular, is your sin. You go on to say:

“Also, there is no link of shame with such respect [when lacking towards all His commandments] and obedience in the New Testament.”

This is another gospel, of which the apostle Paul wrote that even though an angel from Heaven preaches it to you, “let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8).

You had quoted 2 Timothy 3:16, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,” using it to falsely condemn us for “not using the Bible anymore.” Yet it is apparent that we do use the Scriptures, and that it is you who denies the Law and the Prophets, thus also taking away from your portion in the Book of Life and from the holy city of God. You deny the applicable truth and Scriptures that we speak from Him to you, by His Word, which would serve you well as His reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness, were you to repent and turn away from your wickedness.

Bill’s first reply:

You are just a false accuser and doing what Satan wants. God hates those who try to “sow discord amongst the brethren”. Arguing is not productive. You misuse and disrespect God’s Word. Romans 8:1 applies to me and to Brother Jennings and to Anne and to two others who also discerned your serious problems.

The following was posted in my forum:

Don’t Correct the Fool
(by Anton Bosch)

Bill’s second reply:

I rebuke you Victor about all that you have said against Jennings Campbell and the other one that responded to your first attack against me. I have nothing more to add. My previous responses stand.

Onward for God and His Word,
Bill

Victor’s reply to Bill – his defense and defender (Jennings):

Bill, we did not attack or accuse anyone. We have honestly spoken the truth, giving substance and godly reason. You are the people doing the attacking and accusing. You serve your own image, as do your friends. That is what Satan is all about, worshipping God in the flesh, which destroys the worshipper. Now you rebuke me for speaking in the Lord. It cannot go well for you or for those who support you in your sin.

Contending earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints,

Victor

Jennings’ reply to Bill:

Oh by the way did you make Victor aware I didnt write the fine letter you forwarded to him. I would love to tahe the credut and I hate to admit but I never read Don Quixote. Who did write this? I would like to thank him. Shoot and I thought I was the finest on 360 I’m just thankful for the priviledge of being a messenger boy as unworthy as I am. Love….Bro Jennings

Bill’s response to Victor:

Victor, you are a liar, false accuser, and contradict yourself so much. You apparently don’t have the Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ in you. I say that because the fruit of the Spirit are not manifested in you and you are not Christ-like.

Others looked at your site and said that you are way off spiritually too. Spiritual theories like your two tree doctrine is the adding to Scripture sin.

By the way, I am saved, have been since May 25, 1967. But now I need to use the precious time to share God’s truths with others in this apparent ending of the Age of Grace. I hope that you will realize your wrongs before it is too late.

Concerned for your soul,
Bill

Victor replied to Jennings:

Jennings,

I apologize for assuming you were the one who wrote the letter. Technically, I am at fault. However, your reply tells me that what I had to say applies to you. Take your credit, “Christian,” because though another wrote it, you revel in it. The credit is indeed yours. Anyone reading your note with godly discernment will know you have nothing to do with the Lord Jesus Christ you profess to serve. You serve “another Jesus,” even as you have accused us, with false assumption and error, out of a wicked heart.

The mockery, sarcasm, and lightness with which you conduct yourself and treat life and death matters reveal your true nature. Yet you have the audacity and impudence to call it “love,” having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. You are not our brother, having nothing in any way to do with the Lord Jesus Christ, Who laid His life down and took it up again for us all.

“Messenger boy”? Yes, you are:

“They’re a sorry bunch–pseudo-apostles, lying preachers, crooked workers–posing as Christ’s agents but sham to the core. And no wonder! Satan does it all the time, dressing up as a beautiful angel of light. So it shouldn’t surprise us when his servants masquerade as servants of God. But they’re not getting by with anything. They’ll pay for it in the end” (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 MSG).

“Not worthy”? That is false humility. You are a liar. I Am a Soldier expresses your true opinion of yourself. What reasonable person would argue otherwise?

In the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, addressing scoffers in reality and not pretense,

Victor

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