On July 9, 2017 Toby Sumpter and David Shannon from Crosspolitic interviewed Ben Shapiro. During the course of the interview (33:37 mark), one of the hosts asked Ben what he made of Jesus Christ. The transcript of that portion is below, followed by Victor’s response.
Host: Yeah so, I want to ask you Ben since we got you here, we’re Christians, you’re an Orthodox Jew. I want to know – what do you make of Jesus Christ? Who is He? And what is your evaluation of Jesus?
Ben Shapiro: Okay so my belief is, and this is a fairly typical Judaic view of Jesus, is that Jesus was, and I mean keep in mind I don’t believe in Jesus as Lord because I’m a Jew. So…
Host: We got you, we got you, It’s ok, you’re safe it’s ok.
Host: We haven’t stoned you yet.
Ben Shapiro: I’m good with the prequel. It’s the sequel where we differ. So, my view of Jesus is that Jesus was in all likelihood an Orthodox Jew. You know, even the New Testament talks about him being an Orthodox Jew. He’s an Orthodox Jew who knew how to practice Judaism and tried to lead a political revolt against the Romans and was crucified for his trouble.
Because most of the stuff that I see in the New Testament that I think is foundational to the New Testament is, in some cases, a plain restatement of what’s in the Old Testament obviously the two documents are inherently…
Host: Jesus said He was the fulfillment of the law and the prophets. Maybe another way to flip it around would be the question, “So Jesus claimed to be Messiah?” The Torah and the Old Testament all promise a coming Messiah. What about Jesus do you find uncompelling? What about Jesus do you find uncompelling – His claims to be Christ.
Ben Shapiro: Right so the concept of the Messiah in Christianity is very different from the concept of Messiah in Judaism. So, the Messiah in Judaism is essentially a political figure. The Messiah in Judaism is a guy who comes along and restores the Davidic monarchy and brings the Jews back to Israel and restores Jews to practice.
Maimonides lays out like a whole series of things that somebody has to do in order to be considered the Messiah. The concept of the Messiah as actual embodiment of God in Judaism is anathema. Jews don’t believe that God takes human form. They don’t believe that God takes physical form.
Host: Then he is not a good Rabbi then? He can’t be a good Rabbi and an anathema?
Ben Shapiro: As told in the New Testament, right, I mean that’s correct. I mean if I believe that, again, if I believe that the New Testament was a factual history of Jesus then I would say that Jesus was not a good Rabbi.
As a Jew I don’t think that that’s, of course, if I thought that was a factual history, I’d also agree with it. Right, so again, Jews do not see the New Testament as a factual objective history of Jesus. They see it as in sort of a pastiche of Judaic ideas with ideas that come from Greece and from Gnostic religions but that makes sense. I mean we disagree on this. They’re not same religion right.
Host: We need about a week, so you and I can just sit down with some coffee and some beer.
Ben Shapiro: It’s a conversation that it’s interesting to have. The truth is I have more fun talking about the stuff that we have in common rather than stuff we differ on.
Host: But it’s funner to talk about what we differ on because I want to get you saved Ben…[END]
There are many who have great respect for Ben Shapiro. I do. He’s impressive, a knowledgeable man, relatively lawful, moral, intelligent, instantly recalls many facts from memory, and reasons on many matters with clarity, wisdom, and judgment. He seems to responsibly deal in fact to back his opinions and conclusions. He’s an eloquent speaker and marvelous debater. He makes a lot of sense. More could be said.
So it seems amazing and disappointing when we find Ben Shapiro speak on Jesus Christ and the Bible, the two sections of which he refers to as the “prequel” (Old Testament) and the “sequel” (New Testament). He doesn’t believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, or Yeshua HaMashiach. Understandably, as the world turns, Ben speaks as an indoctrinated Orthodox Jew with contradiction and ignorance, repeating falsehoods about Jesus Christ. This kind of assaults the impression of Ben Shapiro as being factual and objective, doesn’t it?
While it isn’t strange for an unbeliever in Christ to speak falsely of Him, I want to deal with the fact that Ben, as a Jew, thinks to have the authority to understand and judge the New Testament though I expect that as most Jews, he has barely red, much less studied it – not a rare malady by any means.
Not that the Jews understand the Old Testament (the Tanakh) either; they don’t because the Old testifies of Jesus Christ and they don’t see it, even though Abraham and Moses, men in whom the Jews think to place their faith, did believe and understand. Ironic, isn’t it?
You see, Abraham and Moses had faith to give them understanding. Orthodox Jews don’t – they have religion and doctrine, but not faith; their own prophets say so. More irony.
For Jesus to claim He was before Abraham and that Abraham saw His day and was glad, the Orthodox Jews sought to stone Jesus:
John 8:56-59 MKJV
(56) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and He saw and was glad.
(57) Then the Jews said to Him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?
(58) Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM!
(59) Then they took up stones to throw at Him. But Jesus hid Himself and went forth out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and passed on by.
Ben speaks nervously and speedily, “I mean if I believe that, again, if I believe that the New Testament was a factual history of Jesus then I would say that Jesus was not a good Rabbi. As a Jew I don’t think that that’s, of course, if I thought that was a factual history, I’d also agree with it. Right, so again, Jews do not see the New Testament as a factual objective history of Jesus. They see it as in sort of a pastiche of Judaic ideas with ideas that come from Greece and from Gnostic religions but that makes sense. I mean we disagree on this. They’re not same religion right.”
Just what is a “good Rabbi” supposed to be? Why is the New Testament “wrong” because Jews say so? Many Jews do know differently and many more will.
We continue 2000 years later to hear the Jews say Jesus was a revolutionary, that He rebelled against the Roman government and that the Romans killed Him for it. None of this is true or substantiated in the New Testament or anywhere else – quite otherwise. These are lies – fables, and traditions passed on by the Jews to this day. One of these lies is recorded in the New Testament:
Matthew 28:1-13 MKJV
(1) But late in the week, at the dawning into the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.
(2) And behold, a great earthquake occurred! For coming down from Heaven, and coming up, an angel of the Lord rolled back the stone from the door and was sitting on it.
(3) His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing white as snow.
(4) And the keepers shook for fear of him and became like dead men.
(5) And the angel answered and said to the women, Do not fear, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified.
(6) He is not here, for He has risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
(7) And go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead. And, behold, He goes before you into Galilee. There you shall see Him. Lo, I have told you.
(8) And they quickly departed from the tomb with fear and great joy and ran to bring His disciples word.
(9) But as they were going to report to His disciples, behold, Jesus also met them, saying, Hail! And they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.
(10) Then Jesus said to them, Do not be afraid; go tell My brothers that they should go into Galilee, and there they will see Me.
(11) And as they were going, behold, some of the guard came into the city and declared all the things that were done to the chief priests.
(12) And being assembled with the elders, and taking counsel, they gave enough silver to the soldiers,
(13) saying, Say that His disciples came by night and stole Him away while we slept.
Ben Shapiro states: “I mean keep in mind I don’t believe in Jesus as Lord because I’m a Jew.” So Jews don’t believe in Jesus as Lord? Is that what he believes or suggests? Apparently so. Ben should know that the Lord’s first disciples were all Jews. Almost the entire New Testament is written by Jews. All the apostles were Jews.
Both the “prequel” and the “sequel” amply bear record that the true Jew is a son of Abraham in that Abraham believed and it was counted as righteousness to him. So it is with those granted the faith of Abraham. That is what true “Judaism” is all about – faith in God, not in rituals, ceremonies, and sacraments, including circumcision. Abraham wasn’t circumcised before he believed.
“And he believed in YHWH. And He counted it to him for righteousness” (Genesis 15:6 MKJV). (“Prequel”)
By the way, did you know that the first man ever to be circumcised was Abraham’s son by the Egyptian handmaid, Hagar, Ishmael, who later became the father of the Arab nations? But Ishmael and his mother didn’t believe. God’s grace, blessing and birthright were passed on to the miracle son, Isaac, and that was determined from above before Abraham and Isaac were circumcised.
We continue:
“Even as Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness. Therefore know that those of faith, these are the sons of Abraham” (Galatians 3:6-7 MKJV). (“Sequel”)
The Jew, Sha’ul (Saul) of Tarsus, known later as the apostle Paul, wrote:
“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that outwardly in flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart; in spirit and not in letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God” (Romans 2:28-29 MKJV).
Paul also wrote:
Romans 4:6-13 MKJV
(6) Even as David also says of the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness without works,
(7) saying, “Blessed are those whose lawlessnesses are forgiven, and whose sins are covered;
(8) blessed is the man to whom the Lord will in no way impute sin.”
(9) Is this blessedness then on the circumcision only, or on the uncircumcision also? For we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
(10) How then was it reckoned? Being in circumcision or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
(11) And he received a sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith while still uncircumcised; so that he might be the father of all those believing through uncircumcision, for righteousness to be imputed to them also;
(12) and a father of circumcision to those not of the circumcision only, but also to those walking by the steps of the faith of our father Abraham during uncircumcision.
(13) For the promise that he should be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the Law but through the righteousness of faith.
Ben says, “You know, even the New Testament talks about him being an Orthodox Jew.” It is true Jesus observed the Law of Moses as observed by His pious parents and elders (though not of the legalists who added laws to Moses). However, He was not an “Orthodox Jew” by modern Judaism’s definition. Nor was He an Orthodox Jew as defined by the Pharisees, scribes, and Sadducees of His day. For this reason, He and other faithful were in great conflict with Orthodox Jews whose claim to fame was not through holy faith in God but through by earthly religious power grip.
Besides, Christ’s Perfect Sacrifice of His flesh and blood at Passover fulfilled the ceremonial laws that were in force during Jesus’ days on earth. They, as shadows, were no longer needful. That’s why within 40 years of Christ’s life on earth in the flesh, God took everything away – the sacrifices, the Levitical Priesthood, and the Temple, even the nation.
Why the conflict between Christ and the Orthodox Jews? Because they were Orthodox Jews and not children of Abraham by faith. They descended from Abraham, true, but they didn’t have Abraham’s precious faith that counts for righteousness before God. That is the “crucial” difference between Jews of the flesh and Jews of faith; Jews of the carnal realm (earth) and Jews of the spiritual realm (the Kingdom of Heaven); Jews of the circumcision of the flesh and Jews of the circumcision of the heart; Jews of religious works and Jews of God’s grace; Jews of religion and Jews of Reality.
Huge qualitative difference. God is not after man’s righteousness by his own power and effort; He’s after His Own Righteousness planted in man’s heart, a supernatural, miraculous event, even as Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Joel, and other prophets foretold in the “prequel” would come to pass.
Psalms 51:12-18 MKJV
(12) Restore to me the joy of Your salvation, and uphold me with a willing spirit.
(13) Then I will teach transgressors Your ways, and sinners shall be converted to You.
(14) Deliver me from the guilt of shedding blood, O God, O God of my salvation, and my tongue shall sing aloud of Your righteousness.
(15) O YHWH, open my lips, and my mouth shall show forth Your praise.
(16) For You do not desire sacrifice; or else I would give it; You do not delight in burnt offering.
(17) The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.
(18) Do good in Your good pleasure to Zion; build the walls of Jerusalem.
Ben says of Jesus, “He’s an Orthodox Jew who knew how to practice Judaism and tried to lead a political revolt against the Romans and was crucified for his trouble.”
Nowhere in the New Testament are such things even suggested; quite the opposite:
John 18:33-38 MKJV
(33) Then Pilate entered into the praetorium again and called Jesus and said to him, Are you the king of the Jews?
(34) Jesus answered him, Do you say this thing of yourself, or did others say it to you about Me?
(35) Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered you to me. What have you done?
(36) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would fight so that I might not be delivered to the Jews. But now My kingdom is not from here.
(37) Pilate then said to Him, Are you a king then? Jesus answered, You say it that I am a king. To this end, I was born, and for this cause I came into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.
(38) Pilate said to Him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews and said to them, I find no fault in him.
Pilate goes on to say:
“But you have a custom that I should release one to you at the Passover. Then do you desire that I release to you the king of the Jews?”
Then they [the Jews] all cried again, saying, “Not this Man, but Barabbas! But Barabbas was a robber” (John 18:39-40 MKJV).
Roman Governor Pilate and his wife tried to reason with the Jews and have Jesus released:
Matthew 27:17-26 MKJV
(17) Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said to them, Whom do you desire that I release to you? Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?
(18) For he knew they had delivered Him because of envy.
(19) But as he was sitting down on the judgment seat, his wife sent to him, saying, Have nothing to do with that just man, for today because of Him I have suffered many things in a dream.
(20) But the chief priests and elders persuaded the crowd that they should ask for Barabbas and destroy Jesus.
(21) The governor answered and said to them, Which of the two do you desire that I release to you? They said, Barabbas.
(22) Pilate said to them, What then shall I do with Jesus, who is called Christ? They all said to him, Let Him be crucified.
(23) And the governor said, Why? What evil has He done? But they cried out the more, saying, let Him be crucified!
(24) But when Pilate saw that it gained nothing, but rather that a tumult was made, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person. You see to it.
(25) Then all the people answered and said, Let His blood be on us and on our children.
(26) Then he released Barabbas to them. And when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered Him to be crucified.
Mark 15:1-15 MKJV
(1) And immediately in the morning, the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council. And they bound Jesus and led Him away and delivered Him to Pilate.
(2) And Pilate asked Him, Are you the king of the Jews? And answering He said to him, You say it.
(3) And the chief priests accused Him of many things, but He answered nothing.
(4) And Pilate asked Him again, saying, Do you answer nothing? Behold how many things they witness against you!
(5) But Jesus still answered nothing, so that Pilate marveled.
(6) And at that feast, he released to them one prisoner, whomever they desired.
(7) And there was one named Barabbas, bound with the insurgents, who had committed murder in the insurrection.
(8) And the crowd, crying aloud, began to beg him to do as he had always done to them.
(9) But Pilate answered them, saying, Do you desire that I release to you the King of the Jews?
(10) For he knew that the chief priests had delivered Him because of envy.
(11) But the chief priests moved the people that he should rather release Barabbas to them.
(12) And Pilate answered and said again to them, What then do you desire that I should do to him whom you call the King of the Jews?
(13) And they cried out again, Crucify him!
(14) Then Pilate said to them, Why? What evil has he done? And they much more cried out, Crucify him!
(15) And deciding to do the easiest to the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas to them, and having scourged Him, delivered up Jesus to be crucified.
Ben Shapiro should know that Barabbas, not Jesus Christ, was the one who revolted against Rome:
(7) And there was one named Barabbas, bound with the insurgents, who had committed murder in the insurrection (against Rome).
Ben, by tradition, you continue to blame Jesus for Barabbas’ crime. Even Pilate and his troubled wife judged This Man to be innocent. No, Jesus Christ was crucified, by the Jews through the coerced instrumentality of the Romans, in His duty to the Father, in the Person of His Son [manifestation], to save you and all mankind.
Isaiah 59:16-19 MKJV
(16) And He saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor. Therefore His own arm brought salvation to Him, and His righteousness sustained Him.
(17) For He put on righteousness like a breastplate, and a helmet of salvation on His head. And He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was covered with zeal like a cloak.
(18) According to their deeds, accordingly He will repay; fury to His foes, deed for deed to His enemies. He will repay their deeds to the coastlands.
(19) So they shall fear the name of YHWH from the west, and His glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of YHWH shall make him flee.
One day soon, Ben, you will know it, as it is written:
“Behold, He comes with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierced Him will see Him, and all the kindreds of the earth will wail because of Him. Even so, Amen. I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:7-8 MKJV).
“And I will pour on the house of David, and on the people of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of prayers. And they shall look on Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be bitter over Him, as the bitterness over the first-born” (Zechariah 12:10 MKJV).
Ben Shapiro goes on to say, “Because most of the stuff that I see in the New Testament that I think is foundational to the New Testament is, in some cases, a plain restatement of what’s in the Old Testament obviously the two documents are inherently…”
Ben seems to acknowledge some credibility to the New Testament and seems to see harmony between the Old and New Testaments, but what was he going on to say? I wish Toby Sumpter had not interrupted Ben. The interviewers were apologetic and nervous with Ben, who also wasn’t very comfortable with being asked his take on Jesus Christ. Why were both uncomfortable? That’s because neither of the two sides knew Jesus Christ, the Most Controversial and Sensational Person in All History – Yeshua HaMashiach, Eternal King of the Jews, Who has and soon will manifest Himself to many.
“Right so the concept of the Messiah in Christianity is very different from the concept of Messiah in Judaism. So, the Messiah in Judaism is essentially a political.”
Quite true, from all I’ve understood of Scriptural Testimony, at least for many Jews, though not all. Some believed the Messiah would come as God in the flesh (The sect of the Essenes mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls, for example, indicate different beliefs of the Nature and Coming of the Messiah). Some even expected two Messiahs – the error occurring from the misunderstanding of His two comings.
Many Jews were wrong in their concept of a political Messiah. For example, Isaiah declares:
Isaiah 53:1-12 MKJV
(1) Who has believed our report? And to whom is the arm of YHWH revealed?
(2) For He comes up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground; He has no form or majesty that we should see Him, nor an appearance that we should desire Him.
(3) He is despised and rejected of men; a Man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as it were a hiding of faces from Him, He being despised, and we esteemed Him not.
(4) Surely He has borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
(5) But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was on Him, and with His stripes we ourselves are healed.
(6) All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, each one to his own way; and Jehovah has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
(7) He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth. He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a sheep before its shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth.
(8) He was taken from prison and from judgment; and who shall declare His generation? For He was cut off out of the land of the living; for the transgression of My people He was stricken.
(9) And He put His grave with the wicked, and with a rich one in His death; although He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth.
(10) Yet it pleased YHWH to crush Him; to grieve Him; that He should put forth His soul as a guilt-offering. He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the will of YHWH shall prosper in His hand.
(11) He shall see the fruit of the travail of His soul. He shall be fully satisfied. By His knowledge shall My righteous Servant justify for many; and He shall bear their iniquities.
(12) Therefore I will divide to Him with the great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong; because He has poured out His soul to death; and He was counted among the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for transgressors.
Does that sound like a political hero and deliverer? But the Messiah came another way, the only way to victory, to the heart by the sure power of the gift of faith and will continue to circumcise hearts till all are in the sum. “The Kingdom of Heaven is within.”
Faith transforms; religion does not. We all, both Jew and Gentile, need a Redeemer. The Jews themselves have more than amply proven that.
Psalms 14:1-7 MKJV
(1) To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his heart, There is no God! They acted corruptly; they have done abominable works, there is none who does good.
(2) YHWH looked down from Heaven on the sons of men, to see if there were any who understood and sought God.
(3) All have gone aside, together they are filthy; there is none who does good, no, not one.
(4) Have all the workers of iniquity not known, eating up My people as they eat bread? They have not called on YHWH.
(5) There they were in great fear; for God is in the generation of the righteous.
(6) You have shamed the counsel of the poor, because YHWH is his refuge.
(7) Who will bring the salvation of Israel out of Zion? When YHWH brings back the captivity of His people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.
Salvation and reconciliation to God take supernatural power; nothing else will avail.
Ben says, “The Messiah in Judaism is a guy who comes along and restores the Davidic monarchy and brings the Jews back to Israel and restores Jews to practice.”
Jews believed so in Jesus day, including His own disciples, but when believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and receiving the Spirit of God, many thousands came to understand the Messiah to restore the Davidic Kingdom as He has, spiritually, not literally.
Copout? Jesus Christ is known as the Son of David by lineage. Jesus Christ now sits on the Throne of God, reigning in both Heaven and earth. One can only know this Reality by the Spirit of God.
After His resurrection from the dead and just before His ascension into Heaven, “Yeshua came to them and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth” (Matthew 28:18 HNV).
Is Jesus manifest as Ruler of the Universe? Not to all, but He will be, as He now is to me and many others.
“The concept of the Messiah as actual embodiment of God in Judaism is anathema. Jews don’t believe that God takes human form. They don’t believe that God takes physical form.”
Ben generalizes and presumes to speak on behalf of all segments of the Jewish religion. To some, God taking human form was “anathema.” To other segments, like the Essenes, for example, it was the only way they understood His Coming. The “prequel” (Old Testament/Tanakh) declares God as the Messiah coming in the flesh, of which the “sequel” (New Testament) confirms. Some Orthodox Jewish rabbis and sages have believed this, not that it matters what they have believed without knowing Him.
Ben, you’re using a broad brush, presuming to be a member in good standing of the only Jewish affiliation that counts for anything. Many Jews today will tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about but only pretend or presume. Even if you were right that all Jews believed God would not present Himself in the flesh as the Messiah doesn’t make them right. They are all wrong and I’m here to tell you so.
Where now is Ben’s objectivity, knowledge, wisdom, and understanding?
Here’s what an anointed Jew had to say over 1900 years ago about the best of man’s wisdom:
1 Corinthians 1:18-31 MKJV
(18) For the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those being lost, but to us being saved, it is the power of God.
(19) For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and I will set aside the understanding of the perceiving ones.”
(20) Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the lawyer of this world? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
(21) For since, in the wisdom of God, the world by wisdom did not know God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe.
(22) For the Jews ask for a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom;
(23) but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block, and to the Greeks foolishness.
(24) But to them, the called-out ones, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.
(25) Because the foolish thing of God is wiser than men, and the weak thing of God is stronger than men.
(26) For you see your calling, brothers, that not many wise men according to the flesh are called, not many mighty, not many noble.
(27) But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
(28) and God has chosen the base things of the world, and things which are despised, and things which are not, in order to bring to nothing things that are;
(29) so that no flesh should glory in His presence.
(30) But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who of God is made to us wisdom and righteousness and sanctification and redemption;
(31) so that, according as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
Interviewers David Shannon and Toby Sumpter do not do Jesus Christ and the Gospel justice; they joke about stoning Ben and make light of His Price of Blood He paid for them. That’s because they are only nominal Christians just as Ben Shapiro is only a nominal Jew. Both are in the dark defending their darkness they call light. This will continue until the Light and Life of All Men comes for them.
Victor Hafichuk
November 15, 2017